That cleric is a moron. Equating beheading with Polytheism????? In one sentence, this sihthead offended over 2 billion people. No wonder these arab aholes are the bottom of the barrel. SOmeone needs to drop a big... big bomb and get rid of this vermin once and for all. Oh and that is my opinion... and should be conventional wisdom.
jeez.
In Islam, polytheism is THE single gravest sin possible. Not equal to adultery, nor anything else you can think of. It is the one thing that will NOT be forgiven by Allah. As far as Muslims are concerned polytheism IS the biggest sin they could have cited.
For all those to whom it seems too mild a comparison: you're not a Muslim. The message wasnt for you, the message wasnt even for secular Muslims, it was for the hijackers.
For them, i repeat, there could NOT have been a more severe comparison of the hostage's murder than what was made..
He is indirectly fomenting hatred for Polytheists by equating the beheading of someone to polytheism. No wonder muslims in every part of the world from Phillipines to India to ISrael to china to europe to America are heeding such messages of tolerance by engaging in terrorism. If a muslim imam cannot promote the message of tolerance then he should just shut the hell up.
firstly, it isnt your business to dictate Muslim beliefs according to your will. we do believe that polytheism is a grave sin, as do christians and jews , and unless you wish to eradicate the concept of monotheism entirely, you dont have anything to whine about.
he did not ask anyone to go an kill the polytheists, his entire message was about not killing the innocent hostage.
On the polytheism bit, Ravage already got it, but I'll still ramble on..
Keep in mind this is a cleric, a religious official, not a secular ethicist. He is speaking to Muslims in Islamic terms. What is the one rule which comes before all others in Islam? There is no god but God. I.e., polytheism is the greatest evil in the context of Islam. You folks are a tad too reactionary to be feeling the anti-Hindu jibe here. I don't know the cleric's other positions, but in this case his argument is sound.
And in the eyes of God, as far as we're concerned in the religious sense, all sins against Him are equal. All sins which gain His punishment are equal.
It is only here in the secular sense that morals can be weighted one worse than others, or one more forgivable than others. Between God and Man, all sin is equal.
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jeez.
In Islam, polytheism is THE single gravest sin possible. Not equal to adultery, nor anything else you can think of. It is the one thing that will NOT be forgiven by Allah. As far as Muslims are concerned polytheism IS the biggest sin they could have cited.
For all those to whom it seems too mild a comparison: you're not a Muslim. The message wasnt for you, the message wasnt even for secular Muslims, it was for the hijackers.
For them, i repeat, there could NOT have been a more severe comparison of the hostage's murder than what was made..
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I actually wanted to say what you have written above but could not word it properly.
The message was directed to Al-Qaeda, and to such religious "extremists". Believing in any God other than Allah for Muslims is the biggest sin. This was the cleric's way of showing the gravity of the crime they were about to commit, by comparing it to the practice of polytheism.
Mats, the truth is that he offended me more than the 2 billion you mentioned. The jackass does not represent my Islam.
why are you offended madhanee. instead of persisting in your obstinacy, perhaps you could address my, spoon, and mehnaz's posts.
well..shout and cry as much you want but truth is as someone said above..Polytheism is a bigger sin in Islam than murder and that too of a kafir jew. Allah will forgive you a murder but not the fact that you worshiped someone else other than Allah...the most merciful and benovelent one!
Now the Imam seems to be talking to the Al-Keedas in the language that they believe in. but again these Al-Qeeda are not polytheists, these are the true believers fighting for their faith(atleast in their own mind) so they have every reason to believe Allah will forgive them the murders.
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well..shout and cry as much you want but truth is as someone said above..Polytheism is a bigger sin in Islam than murder and that too of a kafir jew. Allah will forgive you a murder but not the fact that you worshiped someone else other than Allah...the most merciful and benovelent one!
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IMO, Allah will forgive neither if one does not repent of it, and both if he does. Except in the case of murder, one must seek to make amends with the victim's family by either offering blood money, or submitting to execution.
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Now the Imam seems to be talking to the Al-Keedas in the language that they believe in. but again these Al-Qeeda are not polytheists, these are the true believers fighting for their faith(atleast in their own mind) so they have every reason to believe Allah will forgive them the murders.
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had you been a Muslim and had been murdering believing in that, you would have been knowingly making a mockery of your own religion. i still cannot take upon myself to represent what is the limit of His forgiveness, therefore I dont know if they still will be forgiven.
Killing an innocent, be it jewish, hindu, white, black, chinese, etc. etc. etc. is wrong and totally against Islam. It IS equally as bad as spitting in God's face.
Anybody who can commit such a disgusting crime in the name of Islam and truly believe they can get away with it in this life and the after life are delusional.
Now take the head out of sand and try to undertand that for many muslims statements like these are open call for killing chinese in Xianjiang, HIndus in INdia, Hindus in Bali..because polytheisnm is a greater or as equal a sin as killing someone without cause, as per islam, (who knows what the cause might be). Considering muslims themselves use religious edicts to sanction murder and terrorism around the world, while most not agree with that, that is the truth.
No hindu called JEM, Jaish e-Muhammad ... the terrorists themselves did. UNtil muslims extract such vermin from amongst their midst, nothing is gonna change the situation. And by equating a murderous act to something 2billion folsk hold sacred, is sanctioning hatred by the idiot mullah.
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Now take the head out of sand and try to undertand that for many muslims statements like these are open call for killing chinese in Xianjiang, HIndus in INdia, Hindus in Bali..because polytheisnm is a greater or as equal a sin as killing someone without cause, as per islam, (who knows what the cause might be). Considering muslims themselves use religious edicts to sanction murder and terrorism around the world, while most not agree with that, that is the truth.
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You can be quite rude sometimes, did you know that? :p
Khair, you are right. Unfortunately, there are individuals out there who probably will manipulate the meaning of what was said and use it as an open call to kill others.
Mehnaz it is not about being rude. Sorry if it offended anyone. My point is that, Nadia H askes a stupid question, "what more can he do"? as if he has done something that is great.
Tomorrow if a buddhist beheads a chrsitan and a monk says that killing christians without cause is as big a sin as listening to self prclainmed messenger from god. Do you not find the latter half offensive as a Muslim. He is equating a sin with believing in your religion. While buddhists don;t go around killing muslims for what they belive in Unfortunately, there are a lot of muslims who are not as nice.
Matty, may be I am slow, run it by me again. I still do not understand your logic. Did you want the Imam to congratulate these terrorists so every one will have more ammo against Islam? Maybe, it was a stupid question from Irem, but the fact of the matter is, short of going out and finding these cowards, and activley participating in uprroting these bas$$$, he could not have done more.
You cannot argue from both sides, because I have seen posts from other members here who argue that even the Imams sanction terrorists behavior and now that one has denounced it, you want to nullify it. Nice logic.
How come everybody is going crazy over one hostage- and nobody really talking about all the people who got killed and are being killed in Iraq? As much as Im against all those so called Islamic extremists- why is it so hard to understand where they might be getting their screwed up ideas?
Why are some of you sitting back and talking of how those two cleric didnt exactly do much by speaking out? Here you all are on a message forum talking about how those people need to get their act together.
Fine the west is the symbol of freedom (my foot)- but ofcourse whatever they do is right. If the war on Iraq was even remotely justified when it started out - it is no longer. Sheesh people cant ever look at the entire picture.
Bottom line- hey it was a start.And frankly Iv seen too many dead Iraqi children to feel too much sympathy for this hostage.I mean I cant call the terrorists animals- and not do the same when it comes to the American government.
Muslim_Queen, there was no crime in removing Saddam, allow him to remain in power was the crime, that fact seems to be lost on those to busy spouting off numbers now while ignoring them in the past. If America leaves Iraq then that it's for it, it becomes a blackhole that no one cares about except those fighting in the civil war that occurs there. So while its easy to say "no more bombs, American terrorists leave Iraq" the reality is that America is Iraq’s best chance to becoming anything more than a ****hole, to put it bluntly.
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Muslim_Queen, there was no crime in removing Saddam, allow him to remain in power was the crime, that fact seems to be lost on those to busy spouting off numbers now while ignoring them in the past. If America leaves Iraq then that it's for it, it becomes a blackhole that no one cares about except those fighting in the civil war that occurs there. So while its easy to say "no more bombs, American terrorists leave Iraq" the reality is that America is Iraq’s best chance to becoming anything more than a ***hole, to put it bluntly.
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UTD, you must have seen the future. What else do you see in the future? Israel occupying all Arab land? That cannot be far behind, afterall, they were able to convince American folks to remove one hurdle (Iraq/Saddam), they are working on the next (Iran), rest of them are mere flies.
Seminole:
Yeah they’re doing a really nice job, the Iraqi’s are so fond of them they can’t seem to let them go LOL. The Americans can keep their empathy to themselves instead of going around demolishing countries in the name of liberation 
. Who are they kidding? Thank God the rest of the world aren’t as naive as the American people.
All the hue and cry about the American hostage. Sad story but funny how different things are when American blood is on the line. If they had this much coverage for every Iraqi/Palestinian/Kashmiri who got killed, there wouldn’t be space in the newspaper for anything else.
As for the polythesm debate, no question about it, there IS NO COMPARISON between the gravity of the two sins no matter how you put it.
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UTD, you must have seen the future. What else do you see in the future? Israel occupying all Arab land? That cannot be far behind, afterall, they were able to convince American folks to remove one hurdle (Iraq/Saddam), they are working on the next (Iran), rest of them are mere flies.
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Israel should be held accountable for its actions as should Iran. The people of Iran are great people but the hardliners who openly support terror organizations should be held accountable and face consequences of any attempt to obtain WMD, you agree Kaleem?