Re: Saudi calls Egypt demonstrations as FITNAH and yearns for STABILITY
I guess he is right, Hosni Mubarak is 81 years old and America, he was losing grip because of his health and other things, he was trying to appoint his son as his successor, which could have led massive protest and lay foundation for revolution which can bring those forces in power which are not liked by Americans
So wisely enough US wants someone who can be depended and can continue what Jamal Abul Nasir started, for this Al-Baradi is right candidate, he may introduces some reforms but one thing is certain in the whole show, no one who can pose any threat to US interest can even come near to the power corridors... Army has been running country since they over threw the King of Egypt... and they will continue to run it..
If i am right, in one one leaks in wikileaks, they were talking about the change in the govt. of Egypt in 2011, i don't know if i have recalled it right, but it was something like that...
so in order to remove Mubarak, they first got someone to put themselves on fire in Tunisia, eventually leading to an uprising there, and hoped the Egyptians would follow suit?
Re: Saudi calls Egypt demonstrations as FITNAH and yearns for STABILITY
so in order to remove Mubarak, they first got someone to put themselves on fire in Tunisia, eventually leading to an uprising there, and hoped the Egyptians would follow suit?
No it is, not like that, they are just benefiting themselves from the situation, they didn't want to loose Egypt they way they lost Tunis, so it was good to create one (artificial one) then to wait for the real one...
Now i am not saying that the 1000s of people in the demonstrations are fake, they are real, and they are tired of their rulers they want change, AL-Bardy is offering them the change... unfortunately it won't be the same what the demonstrators are asking for but it would be a CHANGE of face...
In Tunis, things are getting back to normal, they have lost the lime-light to Egypt and the cosmetic intern govt. might press charges against ben Ali (who is now of no use to US/France) and might hang him.. as who ever gets to punish Ben Ali shall get the reward... that is presidency....
again above is assumptions i have made after knowing the region and its politics for over a decade, i can be wrong
Re: Saudi calls Egypt demonstrations as FITNAH and yearns for STABILITY
its very much up in the air at the moment. im sure that americans are trying their best to exert some sort of influence. most likely thats going to happen through the army, and al-baradei will be one of those who is going to go against the US funded army. which just means all this talk undermines someone working against american interests.
it does seem clear from the evident panic in american media/government that they werent anticipating whats transpired.
Re: Saudi calls Egypt demonstrations as FITNAH and yearns for STABILITY
its very much up in the air at the moment. im sure that americans are trying their best to exert some sort of influence. most likely thats going to happen through the army, and al-baradei will be one of those who is going to go against the US funded army. which just means all this talk undermines someone working against american interests.
it does seem clear from the evident panic in american media/government that they werent anticipating whats transpired.
this is difficult to digest, there was one more guy who contended in the last ( Zia type referendum) to elect president of Egypt, he enjoyed support from the masses of Egypt but lost the election and ended up stealing somebody's cow and i guess is serving sentence or is facing trial for the stealing the cow
Re: Saudi calls Egypt demonstrations as FITNAH and yearns for STABILITY
I am sure that the palaces in Riyadh and Amman are shaking with fear at the moment. After Egypt I see the domino affect spreading to the rest of the middle east and one tyrant regime after another falling. About time too.
Re: Saudi calls Egypt demonstrations as FITNAH and yearns for STABILITY
I am sure that the palaces in Riyadh and Amman are shaking with fear at the moment. After Egypt I see the domino affect spreading to the rest of the middle east and one tyrant regime after another falling. About time too.
People here in the US are talking about 15 to 25 dollars a gallon of gas. Let see where this thing goes, but let hope for the better. If people end up throwing out somewhat sane dictators and replacing them with likes of Hamas, Hizbullah or Iranian type regimes, than I'm not sure if that would be net positive. Also, I think its much harder to get rid of religious regimes (Iran is good example) than secular dictators like Ben Ali or Hosni Mubarak.
Re: Saudi calls Egypt demonstrations as FITNAH and yearns for STABILITY
People here in the US are talking about 15 to 25 dollars a gallon of gas. Let see where this thing goes, but let hope for the better. If people end up throwing out somewhat sane dictators and replacing them with likes of Hamas, Hizbullah or Iranian type regimes, than I'm not sure if that would be net positive. Also, I think its much harder to get rid of religious regimes (Iran is good example) than secular dictators like Ben Ali or Hosni Mubarak.
sanity and dictators is bit of an oxymoron. I have seen many revolutions in my lifetime from Ayub to iran (was there) and a few others, things tend to settle down after a while. Talk about 15 to 20 dollars is just pure specualtion and not sure it will happen. However, regardless of what the situation is with these tyrants, the people should be supreme and they should have a voice in which govt they elect. If they want Hizbollah, than so be it.
Re: Saudi calls Egypt demonstrations as FITNAH and yearns for STABILITY
well shamraz it does not depends on that religious dictatorship is hard to eliminate and seculars and liberals are easy, thats not right, you can also see the example of zardari dictatorship which is also not so easy to get rid off so ur wrong here
People here in the US are talking about 15 to 25 dollars a gallon of gas. Let see where this thing goes, but let hope for the better. If people end up throwing out somewhat sane dictators and replacing them with likes of Hamas, Hizbullah or Iranian type regimes, than I'm not sure if that would be net positive. Also, I think its much harder to get rid of religious regimes (Iran is good example) than secular dictators like Ben Ali or Hosni Mubarak.
Re: Saudi calls Egypt demonstrations as FITNAH and yearns for STABILITY
sanity and dictators is bit of an oxymoron. I have seen many revolutions in my lifetime from Ayub to iran (was there) and a few others, things tend to settle down after a while. Talk about 15 to 20 dollars is just pure specualtion and not sure it will happen. However, regardless of what the situation is with these tyrants, the people should be supreme and they should have a voice in which govt they elect. If they want Hizbollah, than so be it.
I guess it comes down to the question of stability & status quo vs. the many unknowns, but agree ultimate destiny of any nation should be in the hands of its people.
Re: Saudi calls Egypt demonstrations as FITNAH and yearns for STABILITY
well shamraz it does not depends on that religious dictatorship is hard to eliminate and seculars and liberals are easy, thats not right, you can also see the example of zardari dictatorship which is also not so easy to get rid off so ur wrong here
You may not like Zardari, but he is not a dictator. He is a legitimacy elected president & just b/c you don't like him doesn't make him a dictator.
Re: Saudi calls Egypt demonstrations as FITNAH and yearns for STABILITY
I don’t think so.. Saudi is an Islamic govt.. and thats what people are demanding in Egypt… They want Sharia and Saudi already has it.. why would Saudi be next?
Re: Saudi calls Egypt demonstrations as FITNAH and yearns for STABILITY
dont know what u guys talking and thinking, its just a simple game It is the time to change a pawan with another pawn, no any big thing going to be happen just sit down relax have a cup of coffee/tea and watch the replacement:D:
Re: Saudi calls Egypt demonstrations as FITNAH and yearns for STABILITY
I guess he is right, Hosni Mubarak is 81 years old and America, he was losing grip because of his health and other things, he was trying to appoint his son as his successor, which could have led massive protest and lay foundation for revolution which can bring those forces in power which are not liked by Americans
So wisely enough US wants someone who can be depended and can continue what Jamal Abul Nasir started, for this Al-Baradi is right candidate, he may introduces some reforms but one thing is certain in the whole show, no one who can pose any threat to US interest can even come near to the power corridors... Army has been running country since they over threw the King of Egypt... and they will continue to run it..
If i am right, in one one leaks in wikileaks, they were talking about the change in the govt. of Egypt in 2011, i don't know if i have recalled it right, but it was something like that...
I don't think micro management of Egypt will be acceptable to the people. It is not in the interest of USA even. In the long run we are going to see a not so friendly government in Egypt as far as USA is concerned..
Re: Saudi calls Egypt demonstrations as FITNAH and yearns for STABILITY
I don't think micro management of Egypt will acceptable to the people. It is not in the interest of USA even. In the long run we are going to see a not so friendly government in Egypt as far as USA is concerned..
I don't know if that is possible ( not very friendly govt to US), as if Egypt gets out of US claws, US interest in the GCC and in Israel will be badly damaged, no way US want to have any govt with such sentiments or intentions in Egypt, Turkey is almost out of their league, Iran is their enemy, Pakistan dislikes them the most and elections and public pressure here can turn things up-side down for US...
in this case, they want to have a man in power who can work on reforms and can take a (limited as US pleases) stand against Israel's activity, bringing Israel back in American camp... It is very complex situation out there...
Husni Mubarak have already shown his willingness to go ( but in 7 months time), i think if the pressure continued he'll be gone... the delay factor is may be Saudi are looking for a vacant palace for him and his family...
Re: Saudi calls Egypt demonstrations as FITNAH and yearns for STABILITY
^^^ Actually Netanyahu is very upset with Obama and the EU for abandoning Mubarak so soon. He thinks democracy isn’t for place like Egypt & the US and west is making mistake by letting Mubarak go. The problem with that is there isn’t anything anyone can do to save Mubarak, but I’m looking forward to seeing other dictators in the regions fold, too.
P.S Beck is kinda crazy, but he comes close to necon thinking in the US.
Re: Saudi calls Egypt demonstrations as FITNAH and yearns for STABILITY
^^ Israel won't be enjoying many liberties for mass-murdering Palestinians any more, if Mubarak goes... no wonder Israel is not happy but as you said there is nothing much US or anyone for that matter can do...
i wonder if majority of Islamic country's population had been well educated and had access to many thing they can only dream of... would these dictators lasted this long???
I mean, look at Saudi, enormous wealth, unlimited resources, but not a single world class health center or School/College or University... the royals spend millions on cars, palaces and lavish life-style yet they don't care about the health and education of their people... i wonder why???
Re: Saudi calls Egypt demonstrations as FITNAH and yearns for STABILITY
Mubarak uses the “stability” card by calling his secret police officers to become looters themselves.
It shows that this excuse of stability is nothing but a facade. The only purpose of using this excuse is to somehow justify crimes of Israel’s favorite Muslim leader who is complicit in its occupation of Palestine.
CAIRO - Human Rights Watch confirmed several cases of undercover police loyal to Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak’s regime committing acts of violence and looting in an attempt to stoke fear of instability as demonstrations grew stronger Tuesday against the autocratic leader.
Peter Bouckaert, the emergency director at Human Rights Watch, said hospitals confirmed that they received several wounded looters shot by the army carrying police identification cards. They also found several cases of looters and vandals in Cairo and Alexandria with police identification cards. He added that it was “unexplainable” that thousands of prisoners escaped from prisons over the weekend.
“Mubarak’s mantra to his own people was that he was the guarantor of the nation’s stability. It would make sense that he would want to send the message that without him, there is no safety,” Bouckaert said.