In one example, a publication for the “Immigrant Muslim” bearing the words “Greetings from the Cultural Department” of the Embassy of Saudi Arabia in Washington, D.C., gave detailed instructions on how to “hate” the Christian and Jew: Never greet them first. Never congratulate the infidel on his holiday. Never imitate the infidel. Do not become a naturalized citizen of the United States. Do not wear a graduation gown because this imitates the infidel. The opening fatwa of another a book distributed by the embassy that was published by the Saudi Air Force responds to a question about a Muslim preacher in 17 a European mosque who taught that it is not right to condemn Jews and Christians as infidels. The Saudi state cleric’s reply emphatically rebukes the Muslim cleric: “He who casts doubts about their infidelity leaves no doubt about his.”
That the state department of a country, which usually is the one responsible for creating 'understanding' between nations in the world is distributing pamphlets of hate. If that's what is coming out of an embassy, one can only imagine what comes out of the ministry on religious affairs.
i am not sure how true that is. i live in saudi and they really don't preach hatred against jews and christians. there might be a few who hold those opinions, but that is true for any place. i don't think the US would allow such an embassy to exist which has this in its welcoming brochure. and saudi just joined the WTO and they removed all the boycotts against israel regarding economic relations...so i must question the authenticity of the information above.
If they talk from Quran and (Mustanad)hadith no muslim should dispute them but where is the concept of kingship in Islam? you cannot take some rules and apply them and not the others.
Still we should not doubt the intentions of other muslims
^^ uhuh...there is a difference between buying oil to sustain your economy and craving american culture (while the religious zealots curse all things western)
Saudis crave American culture? You’ve never been there, have you…
Fine, at a superficial level…the WORLD craves American culture…big cars and big mac’s.
But the comment ‘stuffing their mouths with american dollars at the same time’ doesn’t sound like a cultural phenom to me…sounds part and parcel of the economic arrangement between America and the Saudi Royals.
In any case the superficial aspects of American culture tend to be internalized and divorced from America proper the world over.
And the multi-nationalis are all too happy with this…they’ve ceased being “American” a long time ago…coke, McDonalds, even IBM…they’re just as much Chinese, Indian, Pakistani, Saudi or South African as American now…
picoico-again there is a difference between being a nation that openly claims it is a materialistic society and one that hides behind a religion that DOES NOT promote materialism and DOES the same ...
Saudi promotion of wahabi islam is a concession saudi royals do to Al-Qaida. Osama is still being supported financially by saudis. So It is a way royals protect themselves from militants. On a personal level saudis that I have met here in Canada (not a large numer) have been unfailingly polite and friendly, not just to me but to other non-muslims too. But then I do not work in saudi and am not subservient to them. When they come to north america, they are forced to admit equality of non-muslims. What they would do in their own country, I don't know.
Thats the whole point, they are just talking, Bhai Aap tou are in Bahrain, Can you honestly deny the influx of Saudi Citizens in to Bahrain on Weekends, for activities that the Rulers/Mullah’s are Condemning and classifying non Islamic, not only that I am sure you have seen the Mid Way rest area where 100’s of Saudis sleep over in their cars just to clear their Hang Overs before entering KSA!!!
ARMughal Bhai I have lived in Saudi Arabia for almost 10 years, (Riyadh, Jeddah, Dammam/Dahran, Al Khober, Buraidah, Najran, Khamis Mushait, Jizan, Wadi Al Dawasir, Taif). (apart from other Middle Eastern Countries like Oman, Emirates, Kuwait, Iraq, Bahrain, and Jordan)
Now This is a question for all Jeddah Residents, I do hope you folks stand up and verify my statement. (If there are any here on this Forum please do stand up and speak the truth) Yakin Maaniye ARMughal Bhai, in Jeddah there is an area Called Karantina and just for your information its just about a 100 Kms/60 Miles from the holy city of Meccah, Bhai Janab it has a full fledged RED LIGHT AREA, where literally women whistle at you, taunt you and also literally call you in their homes for sexual favours for financial compensation!!!
Now the point I am trying to make is Talking is one thing and Implementing is another thing. I do hope you comprehend and understand my statement and not label me as a infidel!!!.
Jerry Falwell called my Prophet :saw: a terrorist, not a peep from you…Pat Robertson, in all his televised evangelisms calls Muslims misguided and ‘lead by doubts and confusions’, not a peep from you…O’Reilly openly instigates war on Pakistan for having nuclera weapons, not a peep from you…Iraq war, not a peep from you…e.t.c. e.t.c.
Why is it that when some Islamic country does something which you happen to not agree with, however right it may be, we see you posting, Ahmadjee?
Anyway, small issue which matters little thankfully…
Aejaz: Talking may be one thing and implementing another, I agree…There is a lot of that going around…Like freeing the Iraqis and bombing the life out them…
These nations need to first look at what they are doing…Killing harmless, innocent men women and children indiscriminately by using outlawed weapons…
And here, you have a practice being labelled as ‘hate’…
How utterly ignorant and easily manipulated some people are, it is amazing…
But this thread is about Saudi Arabia. The 'not a peep from you' can be applied to your blindness to the attrocities against Muslims by Muslims in Iraq and elswhere.
Sure there are the Christian fundamentalist idiots - Falwell, Robertson, Graham, etc that preach hatred in the name of religion. But we are talking about a country who systematically oppresses women and religious minorities in the name of a religion. And not just any country - but the Keeper of the Holy Places. Birthplace of Islam. Exporter of Islamic Doctrine.
This nation and their supporters need to look at what they are doing in the name of Islam before they ever want any other country to clean their act up.
Lajo, Hazrat Isa (as) said to one of his sahaba: “why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? When you cast out the beam from your own eye, then you will see (clearly) to cast out the mote from your brother's eye!”
And so, I try to clean up my own house first before moving forward.
At least they don’t hold people for indefinite amounts of time without trial, without guilt, without law and without the ability for a fair trial…
Mass arrests, habeas corpus, trial by jury, Miranda rights, the right to consult a lawyer, one phone call to your lawyer, double jeopardy, and Fifth Amendment protections against torture…None exist for non-Christians…
Not to mention the Christian on Christian violence alone during the war of independence and the civil war in which millions died…
Of course, who remembers those, right? It’s easier spout state sponsored propaganda than to know what one did themselves…
Compared to atrocies of what what many Muslims have gone through at the hands of the American government, Saudi Arabia is a haven for justice and equality for non-Muslims…
Like at what AJ said, look at the beam in your own eyes before pointing out the splinter in another’s…
And AJ…Muslims are well capable of cleaning their houses…They don’t need propaganda to help them open their eyes…They know full well what needs cleaning up…