Saudi Arabia: A Trial for Woman Who Drove

How is women driving unislamic?

Saudi Arabia: A Trial for Woman Who Drove

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/27/world/middleeast/saudi-arabia-a-trial-for-woman-who-drove.html

A Saudi lawyer and human rights advocates said that the authorities would bring a Saudi activist to trial for defying the kingdom’s ban on women driving. The lawyer, Waleed Aboul Khair, said that the activist, Najalaa Harrir, had been summoned for questioning by the prosecutor general in the city of Jidda on Sunday, the same day that King Abdullah said women would be permitted to vote and to run in local elections in four years.

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*it's NOT unislamic but it's like breaking the law of the land. *

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What is the basis of their law for women restriction from driving? The closest one I can think of is mehram as company for long journeys, but that is for "long" journeys, going from one town to another and beyond.

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i thin k the reason is NOT religious, it's more cultural than anything else.

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Wahabi muftis consider women driving ‘haraam’

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I thought law of the law in Saudia was Islam. So, show me where in Islam its say woman can't drive?

Btw, sorry I edited your post by mistake.

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**as i said in myu earlier post, there is NO restriction in Islam for a woman to drive a vehicle...it's something to do with cultural sensitivity.

it's OK...don't worry about editing :)**

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that's retard.

Where are all the "muslims" who were fussing over France banning the prayer in streets?

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They consider pretty much anything a woman does haraam.

The actual religious limitations on women travelling without a mehram are much further than just the next town (I can’t remember the exact time or distance, there is a bit of disagreement on the issue anyway but they relate to much longer distances involving air travel etc)..

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[note]Please open a new thread in religious forum to discuss the theocratic or religious position on women driving. In this forum please stick to the topic in a non religious way..!!![/note]

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^The original post says 'how is women driving unIslamic?'

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I believe their reasons are more religious than anything. I was watching a video on youtube regarding this protest. This one Saudi sheikh was asked about the law against women driving and he admitted their reason was a religious one. If Saudis allow women to drive, they will likely go out without mehrams and this will encourage dating and other things down the road. Basically, they are #%$^#$ and it's their way of keeping their women in check. Idiots.

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Actually they have an unhealthy fear of fitnah ... as if the Muslims are just waiting to be given the chance to fornicate with other ... the government are out of touch ... Or perhaps they are not.

Perhaps they cast their own practices on the public and believe they will do the same thing ... the fact in Saudi it might even probably be true ...

They have starved the society from inner Islam and as a result I believe the society has become quite starved... almost desperate ... another aspect is one of SunTzu who said "don't give you people too many luxuries for it will make them lazy and arrogant" - it will also make them slaves of their own desires. Giving too much comfort to the Saudi national but at the same enforcing strong codes on appearance and clothing can lead to a septic cesspool of people gagging for release.

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I couldn’t find any ‘fatwa’ on the link you posted… which para refers to the fatwa?

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lol I picture a driving test. Some minted arab is the examiner and all four of his wives (hajabans) fighting over who gets to drive the monster truck first.

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Muslim women used to ride camels just fine on their own, one or two of them even led armies into battle.. The Saudis have gone backwards..

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:omg: lol

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I have tagged the particular section from the wikipedia page in the link I gave before. Take a look at the appropriate references down the page. Try to search YouTube too as I remember seeing a debate between a Saudi Maulana Sahab with a Saudi lady who was speaking from Dubai. I too will try to search and post the link for you.

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I think one problem maybe that we do not get to hear as much their point of views/reasoning. We are more knowledgeable of what we see/hear around us.

They just seem to not want women be 'independent' in driving.

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http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2011/09/27/bloomberg_articlesLS7FRD0D9L35.DTL

Sept. 28 (Bloomberg) – Two days after Saudi King Abdullah’s historic decision to allow women to participate in elections, two Saudi women were punished for breaking the ban on female driving: One was sentenced 10 lashes by a court in Jeddah and another was detained in Riyadh.

The incidents highlight the continuing disparity between the rights of men and women in the kingdom. Women may be able to vote and run in the 2015 municipal elections, but they still can’t drive, argue in court before a judge, travel, get an education or a job without male approval.

“Saudi Arabia made the giant leap this week from an F- to an F+ in human rights,” David Keyes, executive director of Advancing Human Rights, said in an e-mailed response to questions on Sept. 27. “It’s unconscionable that in the 21st century a woman cannot drive herself to work, a restaurant or just for the fun of it.”

Saudi Arabia, holder of the world’s biggest oil reserves, has mostly avoided the anti-government demonstrations that have rocked the Arab world this year. The kingdom announced spending plans totaling about 500 billion riyals ($130 billion) to prevent the regional unrest from sparking dissent at home.

Some women, inspired by the Arab spring that has led to the fall of the Egyptian and Tunisian regimes and sent the Libyan leader into hiding, have been pushing for change, using social- networking sites. One of their efforts, a campaign called Baladi, calling for female participation in municipal elections, has succeeded.

Leading ‘Saudi Spring’

“Women in Saudi Arabia are leading the Saudi spring,” said Hatoon al-Fassi, one of the Baladi campaigners, in a telephone interview on Sept. 26. “We’re going to push for driving as a next step.”

Another effort, Women2Drive, a campaign that called on women with international drivers’ licenses to break the only ban of its kind in the world and start driving on June 17, also appeared to be making headway until this week. More than 50 women responded to the appeal that day. Several across the kingdom continued to drive and it seemed as if authorities were turning a blind eye to the women behind the wheel.

A statement from Women2Drive said the woman who was sentenced to the 10 lashes had appeared before the Jeddah court twice before the sentencing. Two other women have been called to court, including Najla Hariri, who was forced to sign a pledge not to drive again and is scheduled to appear before a Jeddah court for trial in one month, and another woman who is on trial in the Eastern Province, the Sept. 27 statement said.

Police Summons

“This is completely unacceptable and certainly breaks laws and regulations as well as international treaties that Saudi Arabia has signed,” said the statement. “What is happening is horrifying and must immediately be stopped.”

Madeeha Ajroush, a 58-year-old psychotherapist, said she was detained in Riyadh after driving “to express my joy at the king’s decision.”

“Someone saw me drive and complained to authorities,” Ajroush said in a telephone interview yesterday. “After I got home, the police came to summon me.” She spent 3 1/2 hours at the station, signed a no-driving pledge and was let go.

Hariri, a 45-year-old Saudi housewife, said she received a call on Sept. 21 summoning her to appear before Jeddah’s prosecutor on Sept. 25, the day the king issued his decree.

“My need to drive should not be considered a defiance of the law, the ruler or religion,” said Hariri in a telephone interview from Jeddah on Sept. 27. “I drive out of a need, because I don’t have a driver.”

Teaching Driving

The latest government actions have led to a suspension of a new initiative that Women2Drive campaigners had hoped would boost their effort: teaching women how to drive. More than 1,500 women had ticked the “learn” box on a confidential form the campaigners sent around by email.

During the summer months, a small group of women looked for neighborhoods where students can practice without getting arrested, compiled instructional material, including how-to videos, for the theoretical part of the course and looked around for female volunteers with valid international driver’s licenses.

“There’s no written law that bans women from driving, so how can women drivers be prosecuted?” said Noura Yousef, one of the campaign organizers, in a telephone interview from Jeddah on Sept. 26.

Saudi Arabia enforces restrictions interpreted from the Wahhabi version of Sunni Islam. In addition to the restrictions on women, the government enforces strict gender segregations in public, including at restaurants, schools and lines at fast food take-outs.

The last time a group of women publicly defied the driving ban was on Nov. 6, 1990, when U.S. troops massed in Saudi Arabia to prepare for a war that would expel Iraqi forces from Kuwait.