Sati in Bihar, India

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Smart a@@..........:D

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We need to look at evolution of Hindu religion over 10000+ years. You can find almost everything that's been said and written in books (1000+) related to Hinduism.
Its not adviced and propogated by hindu religion as of now, that way you can say Shankaracharya's don't support it anymore........ The reasons for Sati being prevalent during medival times are also gone... hence its no longer part of current Hindu religion...
Coming to Sati, many a times we have heard of other partner committing suicide and dying at the death of partner. This looks more like that case, where this lady couldn't fathom the idea of living without her husband and just walked into the fire late in night, when everybody else had gone to sleep. We can discuss this till death ..
as we have already discussed many a times earlier.......:)

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She is 77 my dear... 77. Here her relatives did not push her into the pyre. *Sati is banned in india. *

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^Please explain 77 yeard old significance.

Midieval time was not 77 years ago BTW!! or perhaps hinduism still is in midieval times!!!!!!

'Anything goes' under the word "evolution" of hinduism.

So how can one be sure what now is,.... really truth?

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Most of the hawks just don't read what written in this thread by so many people about Hinduism and its philosphies....... They just want to believe in what they have heard or read in half cooked books... There are threads after threads explaining philosphies of Hinduism... but No how can a Ostrich see so..
1. Theory of Karma
2. Theory of Evolution
3. Theory of stages of life
4. Theory of cylce of life and death
These aren't stories and aren't simple to understand. These have been discussed and discussed and explained and explained..
Now Some of you if really have so much interest in knowing Hinduism, and decrying it... Please get off this board, get to Haridwar/ Rishikesh in one of the Ashrams, spend a month to understand this deep philosphical religion....

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Look my dear friend, u dont see the significance. But u could see the significance that u can connect that to medivial hinduism.:D.
She is 77 and she was not pushed, if u know the realities of India, sati whatever being practiced are not usually done my the willing consent of the women but by their relatives. Usually these are much younger women. Sati is then is homicide, here it is suicide.
She might really dont want to have a life and decide to commit suicide.

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NOTE: I have cleaned up flaming posts, lets stick to "Sati" only, no religion bashing will be allowed.

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** Meanwhile, many people started thronging the site where Sita Devi committed sati to pay tribute to her, even as a makeshift temple was put up by villagers there to worship the "sati mata".**

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how romantic

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I only answered according to what I thought your intention was. At the same time I asked YOu explain what you thought when you mentioned her being 77 years old.

Now, I am not here to judge your religion based on her act or how it might have occured. I do know its part of hindu scripture asking women to perform Sati. We had threads upon it before. I also know that people say it is just an old thing and hinduism is all time changing according to time. So naturally I asked whatever hinduism consider true NOW what's the guarentee that its true now but will not be called false later?

We are not talking about riding on horse or flying in plane.that obviously changes with time.

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there is nothing evil about sati so long as it not forced upon the woman.

throughout history, thousands of voluntary sati's have taken place in the most honorable of fashions.

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Well can we keep your post in golden letters for others to see and not to argue people that barbaric rituals are allowed and promoted in hinduism?

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Any idea why you would not consider it wrong even if it is not forced?

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do you think i am the official spokesperson for hinduism and for all hindus? if i like to eat chocolates, does that mean eating chocolate is an ultimate hindu ritual and supported in hinduism?

i am giving my opinion on voluntary sati. i don’t think it is barbaric in any way. it is a voluntary act of honor, and i have a lot of respect for such women.

have you heard of jauhars of rajput women? do you think i will call that a “barbaric” act? of course not…i think those were amongst the most honorable acts in world history.

i don’t think it is necessary, but if it is voluntary act of sacrifice done with righteous intentions…then i think it is just fine. a 77 year old woman has the full right to decide her own destiny.

however, i support the ban because of potential for forcible and misguided sati.

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aaahhhhhh.......you are sooooo contended and happy now. And we are sooooooo jeolous and unhappy because of your happiness.

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Wrong example. No one is discussing personal choices like eating chocolate.
We are discussing something serious as you might have missed.....death of a person for completely wrong reason BY ANY STANDARD except hindu scripture and your personal opinion sir!

Please explain that.

Necessary? Thats not the question.

1-Should anyone praise this barbaric act?

2-Why can't you say openly that the reason you respect it and consider 'honorable' and a 'sacrifice' is beacause its part of hinduism?

Why beat around the bushes and saying its my 'personal opinion'?

3-Where did you get this 'personal opinion' from?

4- Explain why you even consider that a respectable act to even allow these women to lose their lives in such a barbaric way?

5- We keep hearing about 77 years old. Can anyone care what is the significance here?
a- 77 years old can die on her own but not a younger one like 25 years old?

b-77 years old does not deserve to live longer if her husband dies?
c- unknown to me and needs explaination.

OK so if you are there where a woman sacrificing her life this way you will cheer for it and say 'go for it' as long as she is doing infront of you willingly? Right?

So why a man would not do the same if his wife dies? Is that consider sati as well and would you 'honor' that man also?

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Not really. Where did I mention any sort of happiness? or is that your own feeling from my post?

Its really sad to have someone praising or calling suicide an honorable act of 'sacrifice'.

No sane person would feel 'happy' for the comments made by nikhil25.
Religious extremism comes in all shapes and forms.

BTW: Does sikhism promotes sati?

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Look ,

Yes it's really sad when some one is praising or calling suicide an honorable act. no doubt about that.

With regard to sati...this topic has been beaten to death in other thread. I made a comment there. I will repeat it again here. I have no problem in repeating here also. Yes it was a custom in the past. May be now, it is still prevalent...i dont know. But in this age we defy it, even if hindu scriptures mention it. Things have changed. In hindu terminology, yuga has changed. But some hindus haven't, like this one in bihar. It was more prevalent among rajputs. Those rajput women used to commit sati immediately after their husbands died in battle field. I think that's what nikhil meant.
There is one famous quote by jawahar lal nehru on this "Those rajput women must have fought with the enemy instead of commiting sati. That would have been a better way to die".

Beyond this what other clarification or answer can be given?....i dont know.

Look Mr....moreover hinduism is not a religion that originated recently. Somehow it has managed to survive till now. But one thing is certain, it's philosophy is eternal. Means there is no birth to it. When there is no birth, there is no death to it also. I dont know what is the future of hindus, may be they go down in numbers. But I attach a great deal of value to it's philosophy. Some are outdated in this yuga. But when it comes to knowing higher meaning of life, I have read and seen rishis who have surpassed every perception of sense and pain. That's what you were harping in the thread "world's best religion".....right. Now go and gratify your senses by whatever you were telling in that thread.

You know what...Let god give you another thousand years of life...and see for your self what all changes every religion undergoes.....including yours. Now dont say i dont want. In front of hinduism all others are bachas who have come just now.

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i am telling you my personal opinion. many hindus might disagree with me, and that is fine. i am not a spokesperson for hinduism or for hindus. i have not even read any hindu scriptures discussing sati…it is unrelated to my opinion.

rajput womenfolk performed sati on different occasions, most famously in the fort of chittor. they performed self-immolation…preferring death before the dishonor of being raped and enslaved by the invading barbarian muslim armies.

i don’t think it is barbaric at all. i am not praising or applauding…but if a woman loves her husband so much as to sacrifice her own life to be with him in the after-life, then i respect that.

is the code of bushido part of hinduism too? samurai warriors routinely committed honorable suicides in feudal japan…i think that is also respectable and honorable. again, this is my personal opinion. i have no idea what hindu priests think about bushido. like sati, i find it to require tremendous passion and mental strength.

i am making a judgment independent of religious scriptures. i did not study japanese religious canon in order to respect seppuku samurai suicides either.

see above.

she is old enough to decide for herself.

if a woman voluntarily chooses to make such a sacrifice for reasons i consider to be righteous, then i would not condemn it. this is my personal view.

in principle, yes i would respect such a man’s wishes. however, there might be other factors to be considered…such as economic dependencies, etc.

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why are you asking this to me?....by my name?...no...i am not a sikh. I am a hindu....to be more precise, a rajput.