Salute our Defenders (merged)

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Today 6 September 2007 celebrates 42 years since 6 September 1965; the day the Indo-Pak war of 1965 broke out in the early hours of 6 September initially on the borders of Lahore. The nation had re-discovered its glory. The Pakistan armed forces and their heroes wrote history.
Every year this day we must refresh the memory of the month of sacrifice, unity, discipline and faith.
We must salute our defenders and pay homage to the veterans.
May their glory always be an inspiring force and a guiding, binding force.

Long live Pakistan.
Pakistan Armed Forces Zindabad!

Check out the Defence Day thread in Military & Strategic Forums section and share your input here; :k:

Link:

Defence Day - 6 September 2007 - Nishan-i-Haider Quiz

Over here you can also share your sentiments, views, messages about/for the heroes and the nation and fellow citizens.
Do forget the grudges, grievances away for today and salute those who have laid down lives and limbs aswell as those who are ready to sacrifice everything all the time. :Salute:

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Dad wrote this a few years ago.

I was assistant inspector of weapons at Inspectorate of Armaments when the emergency was declared. I was ordered to join 16th Self-Propelled Field Regiment Artillery LAD (light aid detatchment) of 3rd Armored Brigade of 6th Armd Division.
I reported at Rear HQ of the division, communicated and was picked up by regiment's MTO and taken in a jeep to the
location of regiment. My actual job was to have whole equipment of the regiment in battle-worthy state. This included
guns, vehicles, weapons and wirlesss sets. I had about 30 men under my command, all tech, almost. I was to be located
much behind the gun positions but had instead deployed myself and requisite men at the gun positions all the time.
Additionally I accepted the duties of MTO, Quarter Master and incharge B echelon thus sparing 3 officers to do the
Observer duties. Of course I also got myself trained as Observer.

** 1) **1965 May, Mujahideen in Indian Occupied Kashmir troubling Indian Army. Indians have its army deployed all along
the border, Pakistan responds. Late evening I report to a self-propelled artillery unit of strike formation, as tech
support officer. We are in Changa Manga jungle full of fly-size mosquitoes and wild boars sweltering heat, total
darkness dug up on the fringes of jungle. No movement or activity allowed. Additional duties including training as
reserve Observer are accepted. Observers are located on the battle front including enemy territory at vintage point to
guide and give correction to own artillery fire on enemy positions or troop movement.

** 2)** Its July/August. Humidity has added miseries to the already extreme discomforts. Indians still have not located the strike formation. The tribesman and commandos have joined mujahideen. Indian army in IOK is in shambles and terrified and locks itself in fortified camps at night. Nowshehra, Rajauri, Poonch etc are threatened & almost vacated. It was like 1948/49 situation when even Srinagar airport was captured by mujahideen and Indians had to rush to UN for ceasefire and committed plebiscite in Kashmir. However this time, they do it differently

** 3)** Early morning of 6 September, their air force attacks a passenger train moving from Sialkot to Lahore, crosses
the international border and launches full scale attack on Lahore without declaration of war. The generals have vowed
to have a peg at Lahore Gymkhana same evening. They are stopped at BRB canal, the main line of defence, never ever able to cross it.

** 4) **The strike force moves same afternoon towards Kasur, Khem Karran, Taran Taran to hit at the belly of Indian Force. The advance is halted at and around Rohi nalla. Someone had messed up. The recce carried out and routes approved in the Advance Plain by Brig Lumb are all incorrect. Those routes and terrain could not bear heavy armour and artillery cross country due to very high water table. The advance is delayed by almost 48 hours. Meanwhile Indian air recce locates advance of Strike Force. It's a pity that brigadier was not court martialled and hanged.

** 5)** Third night and we are in Indian territory, Khem Karan - Taran Taran. Indians have inundated the whole area in
the north of road. Movement towards Jullundhar and Ambala not possible. Tanks are stuck and are sitting ducks. Infantry
has reached the RV but own amour is missing. An amour unit (13 Lancers) suffers the maximum casualties when having
been hit by Indian anti amour units and having exhausted their ammunition, dismounts and fight like an infantry.

** 6)** I am traveling in a jeep in the evening leading ammunition and food supply convoy towards Taran Taran. The
wireless operator in the back seat is in comm with imam (commanding officer of the unit) who wants to speak to me. I
lean back and turn my head to grab the mike. A shower of bullets graze the back of my neck. Some guerrilla in elephant
grass/ high sugar cane/ cotton plants. We deploy to search but cant find him. Its dark, we miss the gun positions track
and probably start traveling up-north. Suddenly we stop on hearing "Stop Oy kaun ay. Ki password ay". In the mild moon
light I could make out some tanks "Oay aapi aan sardar ji, towaday gawandhi" and start reversing. We had hit the
enemy concentration. It was too late for sardar ji to realize, who started firing but by then we escaped. We reached
our destination at dusk. The second in command was resting in bushes rather than in foxhole. His explanation : The
guerrilla will always look you up in the foxholes ! I smiled to tell him I was better off there being no time night
before to dig a foxhole, I had rested with a skeleton in a grave!

** 7)** The threat at Lahore was increasing. Our brigade was ordered to move to Lahore-Barki Sector. It was
mid-afternoon and I was leading a convoy of guns, ammo, POL and supply vehicles. Outskirts of Kasoor on Kasoor-Lahore
road, in the open, saw two enemy aircrafts hovering. By then PAF had achieved parity with IAF and it was considered
safe enough to move during day time. The aircrafts dropped their four bombs and hurried away. We could see these
floating in the sky and coming toward us but were helpless so we kept moving. These exploded in the flanks causing no
damage at all. The aircrafts dared not dive to straffe us!

** 8)** Barki Sector, mid night, on gun positions. We hear shouts from jeep fast traveling rearwards to Lahore. "Enemy
has crossed BRB with armor and is fast advancing. Run for your life". The adjutant ( who is a minister now )
orders all guns to be deployed broad in one line and to be used as antitank. A Major
dismounts a jeep with sub machine gun in his hands, shouting "where is the enemy? Who has spread this rumour.

Jawano come along lets hunt the enemy" and rushes toward BRB with his men.

** 9)** Meanwhile India has launched its largest offensive with one armored and two infantry divisions in Sialkot
sector. At that time Pakistan had only one armored regiment in support of one infantry brigade in that sector. They stopped the onslaught. The tanks were lined up one mile apart in one frontal line and told to advance, find the enemy and engage. (The armor moves in triangular formulation. One tank in front, two in rear flanks. This is one troop. Then three troops and one troop in reserve. All these is one squadron. Then the three squadron making a regiment. Then three regiments make a brigade. Then three brigades making a division. So the formation is a very broad base isosceles triangle. The strength of advancing armor is accessed by number of engagement by opposing force in time and distance frames. So contact by enemy of 45 tanks in short time and distance frame befooled it to be an armored division frontal attack). This slowed down the momentum of Indian advance to regroup and Pakistan gained time to move forces from other sectors. Only one brigade had held the advance of one crops for 3 days !!(excellent command of Brig Niazi who, sadly, proved to be a failure in EP as Corps Comd).

** 10)** So we are moved from Lahore to Sialkot. We take up position along Sialkot-Pasroor road, in general area village
Bathhe. The other armored brigade of strike force was also moved from Kasoor sector to reinforce at and around

Chawinda. At one point all the field, medium and heavy guns were deployed almost next to each other and
unconventionally very much forward. (Field arty is one regiment per brigade, medium is distributed one battery each and
heavy is one regiment per corps. The guns are deployed (1965 era warfare) at about 3-4 miles (field), 6-8 miles

(medium), 10 miles (heavy) from the forward defensive lines (FDLs). Enemy assesses strength of forces from distance of
shells falling in its territory. So knowing the max range of guns held by an opposing forces, say 20 miles of heavy
gun, if the shell lands 10-20 miles deep in its territory, it is heavy gun and therefore corps deployment. As all the
guns were deployed about 2-3 miles from FDLs, Indians were confusingly harassed. All field guns were being assessed as
medium, medium as heavy and heavy as super heavy! They were foxed. But such like tactics are effective for couple of
days only. They added an extra armor and artillery brigade to their strength.

** 11)** I was incharge of B-echelon as well, supposed to be located 3 miles behind gun positions, getting food
prepared, collecting ammo, POL and other supplies and delivering personally as many times a day as possible. I would
get baulking from boss for spending most of day at gun positions and also loc the echelon not more than one mile
behind. The gun positions always run the risk of counter bombardment (CB) by enemy. The "Tipsy-dog" radar would trace
the trajectory of shell, feed data to heavy mortars who would fire back. One day a heavy CB came. Artillery commander
at brigade HQ asked for situation report. The adjutant wisely said "We are Ok, Imam, the enemy CB is falling 500 yards
plus of us at our rear", Expecting that enemy will be listening to wireless comm. Within few minutes the CB was
shifted and we could watch the shells falling 500 yards ahead of us! When dust cleared I saw one shell embedded in the
inner rear wall of my trench unexploded!

** 12)** Chawinda! O Yes. It was 17 or 18 September. Indians had reorganized. They launched the most severe attack with

four heavy armored brigades and infantry division plus. To face them were four armored regiments and five infantry

battalions, all depleted. Aim was to isolate Lahore from west through axis Chawinda- Pasroor-Narowal-GT Road. All the

artillery guns were deployed in anti-tank roll and SP Guns as tanks, to fire point blank at approaching enemy. This
probably was the biggest armor battle-war since WW2. In next 3 days it was all over. We didn't budge an inch but caused
very heavy damage to enemy to force them to retreat. O yes I took shoots as observer like a gunner officer!

** 13)** Once again ceasefire was negotiated. At midnight 23 September, all firing was to be stopped. That night, at
gun position, we were picking up possible enemy targets or concentrations, off the map and "sending" 18 to 36 shells of
105 mm caliber high explosive salvos as last gifts. In return, just before cease fire, we attracted CB. One of the SP
guns fully loaded with shells and cordite caught fire. A young captain, mounted the SP tank and started throwing out
shells and cordite and warning the crew to take away the nearby shells and explosives. He single handedly extinguished
the fire. I had seen that captain once returning from observers duty with a bullet hole in his sleeve folds. This young
officer had joined the unit during the war and I had the honour to share the bunker. A very brave, imaginative,
intelligent and shrewd officer. He is a VVIP now (General Pervez Musharraf)
**
14)** Morning of the ceasefire and I went over to the area where the tank battle was fought. In an area of about 4x8

miles, there were innumerable destroyed enemy tanks, littered with dead bodies, limbs and even boots. I had the camera
on me and took many photos. Most of the dead I found were Sikhs. On my return I informed acting Imam of what I saw. I

marked the area of my adventurous recce on the map. The eyeballs of adjutant popped out. He said "This particular area
where you have been roaming, was mined by us only 3-4 days back to protect our singleline front of gun deployment".
This was the forth instant that I found death being so near yet so far away. It firmed my belief there after that
destiny is not in your control. The day and time is fixed for one's demise. I have never ever been afraid of death
since then.

** 15)** This war was a draw. However an outnumbered force stood like a rock against very heavy odds. But for one
mistake by one brig, the history would have been different today. We have the same situation now as in 1965 but India
dare not cross international border not even the LOC. They had had their lesson!!!

42 Year Ago

On the same day 42 years ago, whole nation became one when war started with India on 6th September 1965. The respect for army was at peak when people like Aziz Bhatti (Nishan-e- Hyder) saved Lahore from Indian invasion. He faught gallantly to save his country and died in line of duty. Today no one remembers him. Why? There are also others to mention who died to save country.

Ayub Khan who started the war, opted ceasefire in seventeen days, drowning the hope of taking Kashmir by millions of East and West Pakistanis thereby made the first step to degrade army in the eyes of people. Yahya Khan and Mard-e-Momin were more instrumental of making wrong decisions and ultimately, making the army as notorious and corrupt institution. And Mush has just hammered the final nail in to the coffin of army institution by showing that Pakistan Army is not to serve people of Pakistan instead it is the Army best serve to foreigners at the cost of Paki people.

I wonder no article or there is any mention of 1965 war found on Paki forums and in news papers. People who had really served the nation and died for a cause should be remembered and require our deepest respect for them.

Aay rah-e-haq ke shaheedo wafa ki tasweero tumhain watan ki hawain salam karti hain

You can find that national song with photographs of above honorable persons at youtube web site.

That song and people who were really Shaeed in 1965 had become a legend.

FARID

Re: 42 Year Ago

You should read up on the 1965 war before starting thread like these..

Re: 42 Year Ago

Farid mian, before jumping to conclusion please visit: http://www.paklinks.com/gs/forumdisplay.php?f=295
and checkout sticky thread.

Re: Salute our Defenders

Excellent 5Abi! :k: Thanks a bunch for sharing, you’re the man! My best to your dad. :Salute:

I’ve copied this to this thread aswell;
http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showthread.php?t=263078

Re: 42 Year Ago

:k: Thanks Captain.

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Farid, I do agree the deserved hype has reduced during the past 5 or so yrs, but it's there nonetheless; all publications had special supplements, all channels had special programmes. But yes, the govt should keep the enthusiasm alive with greater efforts and stir it more proactively to keep the memory, glory and imp of this day alive forever!

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For you Haris.
Enjoy the new song from Call

Asmaan - Call

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Pakistani's being Patriotic is nothing wrong - but to base all of this on lies is wrong.

Pakistan started the war - google 'grand slam' or read independent sources.
US aid for Planes & paton tanks to fight Russia - were misused & encouraged Yahya to start this war.
Pakistan had been itching for a war with India - ever since they saw India being hammered by the Chinese in 1962. IA was in disarray & morale was low.
Soon, "the Field marshal" knew the tide of the war was turning & ammo was very low - Indian forces had captured more territory than PA. That's why he agreed to ceasefire.
The main objective of PA in 1965 war was to capture Kashmir - Well it failed.
You want to go ahead and celebrate that failure, you are welcomed.

As far as 5abi's dad's story goes - self glorification & underestimating the IA - seems to be a common weakness in the PA.

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Not based on lies though..

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It was like 1948/49 situation when even Srinagar airport was captured by mujahideen and Indians had to rush to UN for ceasefire and committed plebiscite in Kashmir.
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Do you have any other independent source that confirms that??? SORRY, I don't want lies to come destroy whatever dignity this thread has.

Re: Salute our Defenders (merged)

More like "Salute our Surrenderers" now.

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There are no lies there, the nation stood like a rock and the armed forces fought bravely and stopped the enemy despite being heavily outnumbered and out gunned. I was in Lahore at the time and the lies were coming from the Indians who were supposedly drinking tea in Lahore Gymkhana when my own house was 14 miles from the Wagah border and they never even reached there, not even close. So yes there are lies but who is telling them?

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Ehsan: Again I repeat - It's nothing wrong to be a patriot, but to base it on lies is wrong.

  1. Did you google to find out who started this war.
  2. Why?
  3. What was the objective.
  4. Did PA achieve it.

India only attacked Lahore sector to relieve the pressure off the other hard pressed areas. It was a strategic move, the aim to capture Lahore was of no military consequence.

It seems that lies has become so ingrained in the minds of some pakistani's, that they cannot see the truth even if it stares them in the face.

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Malhot: You know the problem? Indian Government lies to their people that Kashmir is part of India. For Pakistan Indian occupied Kashmir is occupied territory (occupied by India). Actually Indian government also knows that Kashmir they hold is occupied area, though they lie to their people and Indians love to live with illusions.

Anyhow, there was war going on in Kashmir (started in August '65). For Pakistan that war in Kashmir was not war between India and Pakistan. Pakistan considers the war that got started in Kashmir as war for liberation of Kashmir and was not war between India and Pakistan. India also realizes that and that is why war started in Kashmir stays to Kashmir (be that 1948 war, 1965 war that started in August, Siachin war, or Kargil war).

Nevertheless, when India started loosing Kashmir in 1965, they became aggressor and attacked Pakistan on 6th September. Attacking Pakistan means attacking proper Pakistan, not Kashmir. Pakistan was not prepared for such attack, as Pakistan never thought that India would attack Pakistan. For Pakistan, war with India started on 6th September when India attacked Pakistan. Now if India keeps barking that Pakistan started 1965 war in Kashmir, than that is just propaganda (because war in Kashmir does not even count as war between India and Pakistan).

Once India attacked Pakistan, objective was to save Pakistan from Indian assault and I believe that Pakistan achieved that objective very well, rather more than well as PA repulsed Indian attack plus occupied large tracks of Indian Lands (mostly in Rajhistan), though India also occupied some lands (in Punjab) but that land was comparatively very small (less than a tenth of what Pakisatn occupied). This occupation of land does not include lands occupied by Pakistan in Kashmir (where Pakistan occupied some lands too). This achievement was much commendable because Pakistan military strength was around a third of Indian military strength (Indian defence expenditure is at least 5 times that of Pakistan).

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Yeah I googled on Eyraq and WMD and I got lots of hits, strange!!!! ... BTW do you know who crossed the international border?

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http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,834413,00.html

might be of interest to you all.

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1965 was very helpful to India
1. It united the country, as never before.
2. The Indian Army salvaged it's shattered morale (having lost face & morale against China in 1962)
3. Nehru's policies had almost crippled & financially starved the Indian Army - now they were demanding and getting a bigger slice of the Economy. Political interference too was removed.
4. The morale of the Indian Army had shot up, and I am sure that the plans where being formulated of cutting Pakistan into two.
5. West Pakistan's brutal supression of E Pakistan, alienated the Bengali's and handed over this golden opportunity to India, to cut pakistan to size.
6 The rest is history

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China's bluff to attack India, was called - and the Chinese backed down, this was a loss of face internationally for China.

It also signalled to India, that China would not get intangled in an Indo-Pak war, and cripple it's Economy. I am sure this negatively influenced the BD outcome.

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malhot these might be of some interest to you. Remember these men fought the war and they didnt become expert on the war by reading a few articles and a book or two .