Re: Salman Taseer call him what he is: Shaheed!
Correction.. Qadri wont be sentenced for what he believes, but for his actions.. i.e. murder.
Re: Salman Taseer call him what he is: Shaheed!
Agree with zakk.
I did not like who he lived, but what he died for is just to noble.
I can call him shaheed.
Re: Salman Taseer call him what he is: Shaheed!
Just saw an interview of Salman Taseer and I agree with everything he said but answering a question regarding Molvis' fatwas he called them Jahil and I think he didn't handled the question nicely. Probably things like that led to hatred and then to his murder.
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^ I know ehh, and when he said "96% are muslim in pak, how could some one ever think of doing such a thing in right state of mind"
Re: Salman Taseer call him what he is: Shaheed!
its a self-fulfilling prophecy. call the molvies jahil and they'll act like jahils?
Re: Salman Taseer call him what he is: Shaheed!
its a self-fulfilling prophecy. call the molvies jahil and they'll act like jahils?
Or Molvis didn't like him and he didn't like them either. May Allah grant him peace in hereafter but he could've handled the situation wisely instead of just dismissing the molvis(which were probably brelwis and a majority) right away.
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well what i think its all pre planned, he was pangas with shareef brs. his tough stand and stnace against Zaliman and fundamentalist and latter his last comments about law and someone get a green signal to do it now ITS IS THE RIGHT TIME to finish him and nothing lose.. probably that Qadri guy get some financial promises for the family in his absence and a surity of not death penality. well its my guess
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^Yes, Babar Awan pointed out these possibilities too.
Re: Salman Taseer call him what he is: Shaheed!
Or Molvis didn't like him and he didn't like them either. May Allah grant him peace in hereafter but he could've handled the situation wisely instead of just dismissing the molvis(which were probably brelwis and a majority) right away.
the thing is Im happy for people to not-like each other as much as they want. there is no equivalence between not-liking people and killing them or justifying their murder.
we have been handling the barelvies 'wisely' (if you mean softly-softly) for a while. all thats got us is concessions, discriminatory laws, annual khatm-e-nabuwat conferences directed at a tiny minority but sponsored by the govt of Punjab, laws like the blasphemy law and so on. kudos to someone who calls these laws like they are.
Re: Salman Taseer call him what he is: Shaheed!
Correction.. Qadri wont be sentenced for what he believes, but for his actions.. i.e. murder.
so dont you think his belief led him to the course of action he took ?
Re: Salman Taseer call him what he is: Shaheed!
so dont you think his belief led him to the course of action he took ?
he can believe whatever he wants, the state would have no right to kill him for it. your analogy falls apart when that simple fact is pointed out.
Re: Salman Taseer call him what he is: Shaheed!
the thing is Im happy for people to not-like each other as much as they want. there is no equivalence between not-liking people and killing them or justifying their murder.
we have been handling the barelvies 'wisely' (if you mean softly-softly) for a while. all thats got us is concessions, discriminatory laws, annual khatm-e-nabuwat conferences directed at a tiny minority but sponsored by the govt of Punjab, laws like the blasphemy law and so on. kudos to someone who calls these laws like they are.
When it comes to a leader who's actually chosen by its people should know better about handling concerns of a particular group of his community. The present law says that the president can grant a pardon then why didn't Salman Taseer insisted on it instead of putting all the stress on making changes to the law?
Besides, Salman Taseer clearly said that they want to be accepted by European powers for some economic membership and that's why they want to make the changes in blasphemy law(quite wise of him). It was little to do with human rights and more to do with economic gain otherwise someone else could've brought this topic up years ago.
His murder shouldn't be justified in any case and there I think that the molvis have gone wrong.
Us Muslims treating minorities badly is a huge issue in Pakistan and it cannot be solved just by removing this law.
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Because there are bigger reasons for repealing this law than Asia bibi’s death sentence. Many people who get arrested under this law end up getting killed before, during or after their trial. The laws should definintely be changed regardless of Asia’s fate.
That is a bit of an assumption. He might be making the economic case to appeal to people’s interests. He has been going on about the blasphemy laws for a while, he personally gains not much economically from it.
good we agree.
It certainly cannot just be solved by just that, but it certaintly removes an additional victimization by the state. Once you’re charged with the blasphemy law in Pakistan, you’re quite likelyto be attacked in prison, around the courts, by the police etc. The laws definitely make the situation worse.
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Then more laws should be made for protection of an accused person as well as for non-muslims in general. There are many cases where other criminals and accused persons have been attacked and killed in prisons and courts, even in USA and UK.
Recently two brothers from Sialkot were killed by a mob without any religious connections to it and Police were involved too but they haven’t received any justice yet not most likely never going to because there is no law and order in Pakistan.
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Hareem I was not and am not in favour of an outright repeal, I support a reform in the law. Ultimately the problem in Pakistan is selective application. Did you know a substantial number of those in prison under the law are Muslims?
More people have been killed by mobs then executed by the law itself.
The only difference is that presence of the law and failure to punish people who misuse is what creates an opportunity for people to settle scores in its name.
Consider the case of the paediatrician who was attacked for committing "blasphemy "
by a mob on the instigation of a drug rep? The proof? He dropped the mans card in the bin and mans first name was Muhammad!
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if justice is not delivered swiftly and they don't hang this qadri guy, its going to encourage the mob mentality and vigilantism even further, it will at least be a step in the right direction if they make an example out of qadri and don't cower under pressure from the zealots on this issue.
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Blasphemy laws that predated Zia’s laws protected everyone (PPC), and that is sufficient. While I dont agree with the state punishing any person for saying what he believes, what Zia’s laws enshrine is the mentality that we can say whatever we want, and we’ll kill you if you say anything about us.
There is no other crime in Pakistan for which accused/convicts are targeted along with their families in this way. Even if they are released they tend to have to go into hiding. Christian villages are attacked after cases are registered against individuals. Yes, one can find parallels in the USA and UK, but that would be for things like mob lynchings of Black people, which were encouraged by discriminatory laws. See this:
Re: Salman Taseer call him what he is: Shaheed!
Okay so do you think that with the current understanding that most Pakistanis have is it wise enough to abolish this law right away or should it be done gradually?
Re: Salman Taseer call him what he is: Shaheed!
Okay so do you think that with the current understanding that most Pakistanis have is it wise enough to abolish this law right away or should it be done gradually?
im not sure what gradual steps you think are possible. for those who opposed Taseer, any modification to the law is unacceptable. Can you be more specific on what you mean by a gradual change.
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see what salman taseer said in its last interview/