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Originally posted by Salman-:
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No true. Milad is celebrated throughout the world, not just in Pakistan. So you can't say that it is a part of Islamic culture.
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I think Milad is a part of Islamic Culture because there is not religious bases for it. No one would say, that we have to do Milad because it says it in the Qur'an or Hadith that we do it. It is something that we introduced as a way of commemorating the great leader. It is an event not something that has Islamic bases. AND HENCE cannot be declared a Bid'aa. Bid'aa is something that one introduces as a part of religion. If I say that Milad is Fard, or Mustahib and Muslims have to do it as a part of their faith (like prayers) then it could be declared a Bid'aa. But it is not like that.
Abbas, so on the name of culture we Mulims can do anything?
If you guys don't make it part of religion, then why do you "pray" and sing naats and songs on milad? Why do you guys give out khatam sharifs and all that non-sense which has no basis in Islam and there are no evidence that Prophet Muhammed(saw) did it or ordered his companions to do it on the name of naikii aur to get reward as a part of culture. Every part of culture is suppose to be taken from ISLAM it self.
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Originally posted by Pakistani Guy:
*why do you "pray" and sing naats and songs on milad? .....Every part of culture is suppose to be taken from ISLAM it self. *
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Pakistan Guy,
What is Naat??? It is the PRAISE of our Nabi E akram PBUH.
What is Quran??? It is the Kalam e Khuda.
In Quran (if you understand it correct) Allah s.w has praised his Habib pbuh many many many times.
So if Allah s.w is praising his Nabi pbuh,than how can you call our praising of Allah's Habib pbuh as UNISLAMIC????
I hope you understand.
But if this praising of our Nabi pbuh bothers you you can always close your ears.
Wassalam
I never said praising Prophet Muhammed(saw) is unislamic, where did you get that idea from?
Gubber, ever heard of Darood sharif? You people sing naats, allright, but the wording in naats is soo twisted that you bring Prophet Mohammad(saw) above the level that Allah has given him in Quran. Most of the naats have "statements" which are regarded as shirk. Perhaps you should consider this hadeeth when praising him(saw):
The Prophet (sallallaahu alaihi wasallam) said: "Do not exaggerate in praising me as the Christians exaggerated in praising the Son of Maryam (Eesaa) (alaihis-salaam), for verily I am only a slave, so say slave of Allaah and His Messenger " [Bukhari]
Praise Muhammed(saw) sending darood on him and respecting him is duty of every Muslim. You show your respect to him by following hi way and abandoning the other practices that some deviant individual introduced.
Allah askss us to praise prophet Muhammed(saw) by following his way and not to say a word when his ruling has been set down. You should praise him with sending darood on him(i.e. Darood sharif) not by inventing new things into Islam and then justifying them with being a part of cultural islam and not religious Islam.
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Originally posted by Pakistani Guy: the wording in naats is soo twisted that you bring Prophet Mohammad(saw) above the level that Allah has given him in Quran.
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Pakistani Guy, What is the level of our Nabi pbuh according to Quran.
Please Please do tell me. We will discuss this subject more once you give me the straight answer.
Wassalam
I do not know why are we discussing all this. As long as we keep associating ourselves to sects, we cannot find true religion. Twenty three years and I did not know that Tarawih was not an obligation. I kept offering it most of the time because of lack of my knowledge only, not because I intended any harm or did it because it was an aqeedah of my own sect. Same is the case with Sunnats in prayers.
There are many who still believe we should do it, there are others who say its recommended, these are your own priorities and as long as one investiages and knows all points of views and takes an honest objective approach, it is alright for them to follow it, and not an issue for others to talk about. If someone else thinks Tarawih is necessary and knows why he believes so, I would ask them to believe in it.
This is the kind of approach we need to take towards Islam. We all have our priorities, after Qur'an, there is Hadith, Sunnah and History and some people prefer one over the other. Its the preference which causes the difference of opinion and in some cases there may not be a right answer - the best answer will be a guess on the available information.
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Originally posted by Pakistani Guy:
**I never said praising Prophet Muhammed(saw) is unislamic, where did you get that idea from?
Gubber, ever heard of Darood sharif? You people sing naats, allright, but the wording in naats is soo twisted that you bring Prophet Mohammad(saw) above the level that Allah has given him in Quran. Most of the naats have "statements" which are regarded as shirk. Perhaps you should consider this hadeeth when praising him(saw):
The Prophet (sallallaahu alaihi wasallam) said: "Do not exaggerate in praising me as the Christians exaggerated in praising the Son of Maryam (Eesaa) (alaihis-salaam), for verily I am only a slave, so say slave of Allaah and His Messenger " [Bukhari]
Praise Muhammed(saw) sending darood on him and respecting him is duty of every Muslim. You show your respect to him by following hi way and abandoning the other practices that some deviant individual introduced.
Allah askss us to praise prophet Muhammed(saw) by following his way and not to say a word when his ruling has been set down. You should praise him with sending darood on him(i.e. Darood sharif) not by inventing new things into Islam and then justifying them with being a part of cultural islam and not religious Islam. **
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Pakistani Guy,
Can you tell me how our Prophet (PBUH) is exaggerated in naats? Previously, I posted proof that our Prophet (PBUH) accepted poetry written in his (saw) honor. So if he (saw) did not object to it, then who are we to do so?
About milaad....I am not doubting that it is in innovation. There is no doubt that it is. But look at what the early Ulamas are saying. Read up on it. Milaad was introduced about 300 years after the passing away of our Prophet saw. Nobody objected to it for about two three hundred years until Ibn Taymiyah. He was the first person who looked at it in a different way. But then even he accepted it as being a good innovation. There are lot of innovations that have occured in Islam. Such as praying Tarawi in jamaat, moving of Maqam-e-Ibrahim by Hazrat Umar (R.A), etc, etc. Why don't you object to those? Because they are considered as good innovations.
Nobody is forcing you to perform milaad. Nobody is saying that it is farz on you. I do it because I know it can do me good.
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Originally posted by oiqbal:
*I do not know why are we discussing all this. As long as we keep associating ourselves to sects, we cannot find true religion. Twenty three years and I did not know that Tarawih was not an obligation. I kept offering it most of the time because of lack of my knowledge only, not because I intended any harm or did it because it was an aqeedah of my own sect. Same is the case with Sunnats in prayers.
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Brother,
You did it for 23 years. It seems that you feel that it was all in vain because it is not farz on us. Well, it is a sunnah. Our Prophet PBUH used to pray tarawi, but not in jamaat. Truth is, Allah will reward you for it.
Brother, if you read the previous posts, I have many clarifications reftuing this deviant sect, just by mentioning the scholars of Ahlus-Sunnah said about wahabies..
“Wahabies deviated from Islam”, as Mufti Meccak said. as well asour great scholars of Ahlus-sunnah.
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