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Originally posted by oiqbal:
**As salam o Aleikum,
All I would want to say is that any hadith that contradicts Qur'an should be adjusted appropriately. Hadith have been narrated from one person to another and so on and in such narrations it is quite possible the words were lost or the message got changed. Context for hadith is not known, neither the time when it was said by Prophet Muhammad(sm).
Qur'anic understanding should be our primary source of deciding the religious issues. For instance, Allah has said that it is his responsibility to preserve Qur'an. If it had undergone changes, it would not have been what He had ordained for us, which would go against our beliefs. Thus, we believe that Qur'an is in its original form as God had wanted us to have and there is no change, modification or loss in it.
Someone also menioned about Prophet being alive. Personally, I do not think so. However, if it is understood that Prophet(sm) is alive, he still cannot hear us. So by asking him for help, we're assuming that he can hear us despite being in grave. Secondly, even if he is alive, Allah has asked to call none but Him for help. There are numerous verses as I have quoted and this is quite clear.
Many of these problems arise because we read all sorts of articles without reading Qur'an itself. Qur'an was revealed amongst Arabs, thus its language was Arabic. People would listen to recitations five times a day in prayers and God had made sure that they listened to the actual meaning of Qur'an. We are not Arabs, so either we should learn Arabic, or at least read and understand Qur'an's meaning, so we get to know what God is asking us to do. Thats exactly what Submission to God is, that we read God's word, his message to us whose revelation and implementation took 23 years, at the cost of immense prosecution of early Muslims, but we still do not make ANY effort in understanding it whatsoever.
This message is for the general Pakistani Muslims, not meant as a direct address to anyone.
Regards,
Omer
[This message has been edited by oiqbal (edited April 25, 2001).]**
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As-Salamun-Alaikum
exactly! exactly! I agree with you 100%
Any hadith that contradicts the Holy Quran should not be accepted.
so any hadith (whether from sunni or shia sources) that imply that The Holy Quran is incomplete/should not be considered authentic because Allah(Subhana Wa Ta'ala) has guaranteed the protection of protection of Quran from any modification:
"Certainly We (the Almighty) have revealed the Reminder (the Qur'an), and We shall preserve it."
Furthermore here's what the prominent ulema of the Shia ithna asheri had to say about the completness of the Holy Quran
1) the greatest
scholar of Shia in Hadith, Abu Jafar Muhammad Ibn Ali Ibn al-Husain Ibn
Babwayh, known as "Shaykh Saduq" (309/919-381/991), wrote:
** "Our belief is that the Quran which Allah revealed to His Prophet
Muhammad is (the same as) the one between the two covers (daffatayn).
And it is the one which is in the hands of the people, and is not
greater in extent than that. The number of surahs as generally
accepted is one hundred and fourteen ...And he who asserts that we say
that it is greater in extent than that, is a liar."**
Shi'i reference: Shi'ite Creed (al-I'tiqadat al-Imamiyyah), by Shaykh
Saduq, English version, p77.
2)Another prominent Shia scholar is Allama Muhammad Ridha Mudhaffar who wrote
in his Shia Creed book that:
**"We believe that the Holy Quran is revealed by Allah through the Holy
Prophet of Islam dealing with every thing which is necessary for the
guidance of mankind. It is an everlasting miracle of the Holy Prophet
the like of which can not be produced by human mind. It excels in its
eloquence, clarity, truth and knowledge. This Divine Book has not been
tampered with by any one. This Holy Book which we recite today is the
same Holy Quran which was revealed to the Holy Prophet. Any one who
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claims it to be otherwise is an evil-doer, a mere sophist, or else he
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is sadly mistaken. All of those who have this line of thinking have
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gone astray as Allah in Quran said: "Falsehood can not reach the Quran
from any direction (41:42)"**
- Shi'i reference: The Beliefs of Shi'ite School, by Muhammad Ridha
Mudhaffar, English version, pp 50-51
3)Sayyid al-Murtadha, another prominent Shi'ite Scholar said:
**"... our certainty of the completeness of the Quran is like our
certainty of the existence of countries or major events that are self
evident. Motives and reasons for recording and guarding the Holy Quran
are numerous. Because the Quran is a miracle of the Prophethood and
the source of Islamic Knowledge and religious rule, their concern with
the Quran made the Muslim Scholars highly efficient concerning
grammar, its reading, and its verses."
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4)**The highly-acknowledged Tabarsi in the Shia world is yet another person.
His name is Abu Ali al-Fadl Ibn al-Hasan al-Tabarsi (c 486/1093 -
548/1154), who is one of the famous Imami traditionists and the
commentators Quran. His book on Tafsir is well-known. He believed in the
completeness of Quran as other Shia scholars do. Abu Ali al-Tabarsi
mentioned:
"There are no words added to the Quran. Any claim of added
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words is unanimously denied by the Shi'ites. As to the deletion,
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some Shi'ites and some Sunnis said that there is deletion. but
Our scholars deny that."**
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- Shi'i reference: Quoted from al-Tabarsi, in the Commentary of the Holy
Quran, by al-Safi
- Sunni reference: Quoted from al-Tabarsi, by Professor Muhammad Abu Zahrah
in his book "Imam al-Sadiq".
** So to Sumarrize: Shias and sunnis do not believe that the Holy Quran is incomplete period!**
Wa-Salamun-Alaikum-Wa-Rahmatullahi-Wa-Barakatu