Re: Salaat in other languages?
As far as I’m aware Du’aa’ in Salaah is only to be done in Arabic but outside Salaah it is allowed in English but even then Arabic is preffered.
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even for somebody who is new to islam and Arabic? they should’nt read namaz unless its in Arabic?
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M_M, the emphasis on Arabic while reading Quran is again to follow traditions and to encourage Muslims to learn Arabic so they can better learn the Quran. One can take the word of the translator or one can be original.
And a translation, no matter how good is not the original.
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Ahmadji, i understand all this, and trust me before anyone starts, i personally have always read namaz and quran in Arabic...i read the quran in english for a better understanding as english is my first language...just like my daddi reads it sometimes in urdu as urdu is her first language.
What i want to know is if someone who is a revert, as in someone who has not been subjected to islam and Arabic from the onset of their lives...will they not be accepted as a muslim unless they read namaz and quran in Arabic?
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M_M, requiring a revert to read namaz in Arabic before becoming a Muslim is an extreme view. Shared by a few I am sure but not mine. Obviously you consider the Arabic part flexible too, and some here might consider saying prayers (5 times) flexible too but as you said it yourself, only Allah knows.
So, the point is, stand by your convictions with intentions in check and let the rest issue fatwas. ;-)
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^^ Yes thats true…they ought not to be accepted as muslims…they will have to demonstrate that they are dedicated to Islam and have converted with true convictions, not just to marry some desi illegal immigrant so that they can support your fat a$$ (as a return for you sponsoring them), while you stay home…
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ahmadji, i really appreciate your opinion and im glad that atleast one person understood my question. Thanks.
CheGuvera you mention accepting someone as a muslim...do we humans have the right to accept another human as a muslim...isnt that Allah's job?
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so che
You know the language of God and that he doesn't know any other languages except Arabic and you also know people's hearts better than they do.
Did you ever think of applying for the position of God or do you just believe you speak for him?
Why on earth would anyone have to prove themselves by learning another language just to pray? Ridiculous. Intent was mentioned and that is what counts. A convert only has to prove his heart to Allah/God only, never to man.
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Well if that is the case then God would not have sent down his message through a human and would have codified every possible ruling in a form of a bookwhich he would have rained it down on earth for people to follow…
Its like saying, I am converting to Islam, but I will continue to worship gau maata, cause I am like very creative and like liberated…so I will sor it out with Allah and would continue to be as a Muslim as anybody, if not better and above all you can’t judge me, its my peculiar interpertation of things…
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Yeah God came to me in a dream after he had visited Pat Roberston, Jerry Falwell, Jimmy Swaghert and our beloved Prez Bush, and told me himself…
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^ just a clarification.... every possible ruling was not included in a book, otherwise one wouldn't need thousands of supporting hadith.
It is a foreign concept for non-Muslims to think God cares what language you pray in. But I suppose if you think you have to pray a certain number of times a day, say certain prayers in a certain order, face a certain direction and clean certain body parts before you pray, then specifying a certain language fits right in with the other hardships one must endure.
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You didnt understand what i meant...my fault i should have been a bit clearer...the context in which you used the term "acceptance" was a judgement (thats how i understood it to be) Im my opinion it is not possible and has never been stated anywhere that we as humans have the right to judge another humans actions and intentions towards religion and any other matter. Im pretty sure our Prophet (pbuh) did not go around accepting/judging people as muslims. For example, its ok for me to say to you that i read namaz 5 times a day, fast, give sadqa, have performed Haj, wear the hijab...whatever you wish to associate with me being a muslim, however IMO, you cannot accept me as a muslim as you are not my creator, it is not upto you to pass that judgement. I was always led to believe that i read namaz/quran to please Allah and Allah alone, therefor i don't need acceptance from anybody else but Him.
please note, im using the terms "you and me" in a universal sense.
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Seminole - Catholics pray certain times a day and have names for them too (Lauds, Vespers, and Compline, others), we also have to say prayers in a certain order. There is a lot of ritual in Catholicism with midnight masses, confession, lent, ash wednesday, etc, etc. It's hard for non-Catholics to understand too because they don't live it as non-Muslims can't comprehend the ritual of Islam :)
But saying that a language is essential because that is what God wants or understands is ridiculous. There are no human limitations on God, none, prayer is a way of us conecting to God, but do you really believe that God needs a prayer in just one language to know when he is needed or adored? God created people in his image and gave him his language (all of them being his).
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All of that can’t be harder then to be celibate all your life and molest boys, nor can be harder then living a flamboyant, pimping, wenching and levish lifestyle, so typical of the Baptist ministers…
Nor is the idea of praying in arabic is any difficult then grasping the 3 in 1 concept…
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Minah, is the ritual that God requires prayers in a certain language really any more ridiculous than believing that God needs prayers in a certain order, confessions to a priest, or what time of the day a mass takes place? I was born Catholic, so I know about rituals, there are many. But the rituals I speak of in this thread are different in that they are culturally specific. The Catholic rituals are not fixated on a certain culture or place.
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Theres no ban on reading Quran in other languages too, is there?
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And stop copying and pilagiarizing me…
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Grow up, Chewed-ul-Haq and its spelled as plagiarizing go fix your signature, retard
pilagiarize hahah
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Prayers are a must in Arabic. I mean even during the Prophets (SAW) time there were many converts, illiterates etc. They can learn the Quranic Ayas and their translations. I dont see how it would be easier or harder. Either way they need the translations of - if not the whole Quran- then the basic Surahs we read in prayers. Reading prayers in another language would be strange - since the Prophet never brought it up etc. I think best we stick to what we know. And people should know the translations of what they read during prayers.
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He wrote it like that because that’s the way you pronounce plagiarize in you fake wannabe burger accent 