Re: Sajda.....
i wouldn't judge them so quickly. think about the environment they are operating in. even if it just for show, it makes sense...it is a huge liability to look like they aren't religious in today's pakistan. they are just moving in the same direction as their society/fan base.
Re: Sajda.....
I wouldn't say not appearing religious would be a liability.
Not all players appear religious.
Sure it will gain some browny points.
And they are not necessarily making sajda to show off religosity.
Maybe it means something to them personally and it is somewhat of a tradition.
I think you are reading too much into it.
Re: Sajda.....
I haven't read the whole thread but Mo Farah did sajda after winning both his gold medals at the Olympics. Amir Khan reads dua before his boxing matches and I have seen Samir Nasri reads dua before his football games too. Then you get all those Catholic footballers who touch the pitch and make the sign of the cross before running on at the start of the games. So its not just cricket!
thanks for not reading the thread and for posting a meaningless post which has nothing to do with the core topic under discussion! and no need for me to respond as i already did respond to these "isolated" statistics multiple times above... only if you had taken time to read some of those posts...but hey thx anyway!!!
Re: Sajda.....
^ In your first post you wrote:
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as far as I remember, I have never seen players from any other Muslim country following this ritual in any other sports..i have not seen saudi or middle eastern soccer players doing this even in tense matches upon winning or scoring a goal ... no one did that in Olympics either...
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So I was just giving you some examples of where they have. No need to thank me. :)
Re: Sajda.....
^
Okay maybe it's just me but why every other thread has to be bombarded by you with so-called lectures and rants about difference of opinion?
Janjua did say it was your personal view (just like the rest of have ours). He admitted it. Then why the unnecessary argument?
Maybe it is just me. But your charge of my rants and lectures in every other thread coming 30 min after Huma's post is indicative of a moderator backing up the director. Chalk this up to difference of opinion.
You ridiculed me ( in another thread). for defending myself from your unnecessary charge. Maybe it is just me - but I think if you criticize another persons conduct, you should be prepared to see the other person defend themselves. Chalk this up to difference of opinion.
You indicated this is just internet - and so no need to get into argumenrlts. Maybe it is me - but this forum is more than that to me. I have regard and affection for several here. They are real people to me - even if I haven't seen them. Chalk this up to difference of opinion.
For some reason you seem to keep track of my lectures and rants while oblivious of Januja and Aceones history. Both of whom you appear to side with. So let me bring you up to speed
Januja said shame on you to a progressive Muslim who staterd he would allow Sikhs to worship in a mosque if they had no place to worship. ( context - Sikhs had done same for Muslims).
Januja went on to say if Sikh or Hindus are allowed to worship in mosque he would be happy to kick them in the rear and help them out. This was approx Aug 25.
In a thread on Taliban beheading someone playing music he was an apologist for the Taliban. Approx 3 weeks ago.
And Aceones - in same thread he has been making similar excuses - last ones bring today.
And in last week he has quoted following from the Holy Book in All Views ( maybe it is just me - but he seems to bring up divisive quotes and hides behind this is not for non Muslims.
Only Muslims can go to heaven.
Muslims will never be accepteed by Christians and Jews.
Maybe it is just me - your backing up both of them, not able ( or unwilling) to connect the dots while criticizing my conduct just makes me go wow. Chalk this one also to difference of opinion. ( see how this maybe it is just me works both ways!)
I am now done. If you criticize someone don't express surprise/disdain if they defend themselves. I have zero interest in engaging you and plan to stay out of your way. I hope you will return the favor.
Respectfully.
Re: Sajda.....
Also addressed some points from your really long rant :) - had to move it from other thread.
Oh dear! Are you serious? LOL
Despite the fast that I absolutely detest getting into useless so-called discussions on the internet because I have better things to do in life - and I'm sure you do too - but I'll still reply here and tell you why I said what I said.
Do you realize that you did the EXACT same thing I pointed out in that thread? Not once, not twice but THREE times in one day!
You made a point in that thread in Cricketnama and it was fine UNTIL you YOURSELF brought up another thread from another channel into it...referring to Humas and Aceones post from this thread.
.THAT IS EASY TO EXPLAIN!! HUMA STATED THAT IN ANOTHRR THREAD AN HOUR AGO I CALLED A PERSON FUNDAMETALIST. AN HOUR AGO I DID CALL ACEONES A FUNDAMENTALIST HERE. HENCE I HAD TO REFER TO THIS THREAD TO PROVIDE CONTEXT!! SINCE I HAD EXPLAINED THI CLEARLY EARLIER COUPLE OF TIME, THIS APPEARS TO BE AXCASE OF WILFUL IGNORANCE ON YOUR PART DEAR! :)
It's like you want to argue. You thrive on baseless, useless and meaningless discussions. You call out people without an issue and then want them to argue with you. And don't tell me you don't want to do that because you do. The fact that you brought up this in 3 threads justifies it.
YOU ARE ENTITLED TO YOUR OPINION ABOUT WHAT I THRIVE ON. BUT I CAME TO THIS THREAD TO SHOW WHY HUMA JUMPED TO THE WRONG CONCLUSION. IF YOU (AND HUMA) BRING UP MY CONDUCT IN OTHER THREADS THE BEST OPTION IS FOR ME TO GO TO THAT THREAD TO COUNTER YOU. I WENT TO 3RD THREAD TO GIVE AN EXAMPLE OF ANOTHER MODERATOR WHO LITERALLY BIT MY HEAD OFF WHEN I DISAGREED WITH HER. MY RESPONSE - JUST ASKED HER WHAT BROUGHT THAT ON. TO GIVE AN EXAMPLE OF A MODERATO BEHAVING THE WAY YOU DESCRIBED ME.
And I never said you were not nice to anyone. HOW IS THIS RELEVANT? I DIDNT SAY YOU DID :)
I just asked you a question and I even said - Maybe it's just me!! Didn't I? And then I reminded you what the poster there said.. he said it was his personal view. I told you that. He said he didn't want an unnecessary argument.
HOW CLEVER OF YOU TO IGNORE MY EXPLANATION THAT I HAD NOT RESPONDED TO THAT POST BY JANUJA :). SO WHY EVEN BRING IT UP DEAR?
Like most of us here. I don't want a unnecessary argument too but apparently you do. Similarly in this thread Aceones said, it was not directed to you then why the need to call out people and engage them in unwanted and unneeded so-called discussion?
JANUJA AND ACEONES HAVE A WELL EARNED REPUTATION FOR BEING DIVISIVE . TO YOUMY POSTS MAY BE BASELESS AND USELESS. TO ME THEY ARE WORSE - GOOD FOR YOU TO STAND UP FOR THEM.
I agree I NEVER had an "argument" with you. (See what you did there? You just claimed yourself that you look out to engage in discussions - again useless- YOU ARE GRASPING FOR STRAWS DEAR :) I MEANT IT WHEN I SAID I HAVE NEVER HAD ARGUMENTS WITH YOU SO WONDERED WHERE THIS CRITICISN CAME FROM. THAT DOES NOT MEAN I LOOK FOR UNNECESSARY ARGUMENTS!! FAR FROM IT. BY ARGUMENTS I MEANT DEBATES DISCUSSIONS EXCHANGE OF IDEAS. NOTN WRONG WITH THAT HONEY :)
with people you *think *want to/have argue(d) with you.) I respect your views as a poster and I've admired a lot of what you have to say around here. I respect you like I respect everyone around here. But me or any concerned poster here will not tolerate you
AND I NEED NOT TOLERATE YOU CRITICIZING ME ADHOMINEM. AND YOU KNOW IT. or anyone else trying to take over every thread ranting about not being treated equally when that is never the case. AND WHERE DIES THIS NOT GETTING TREATED EQUALLY COME UP. YOU HAVE STATED A LOT OF. NEGATIVES ABT ME. BUT BY SAME TOKEN PLEASE DONT HIDE BEHIND THE MAYBE IT WAS JUST ME. POINT OUT ONE THREAD IN PUBLIC FORUM WHERE I HAVE SAID I HAVE NOT BEEN TREATED EQUALLYM And you know this better!! =)
.eAll of us come here to post and give our opinion.. You or anyone else (including me) have never been stopped from doing that. All these rant posts of yours are an obvious testament to that. So please stop sending your mind and my mind on thinking sprees as to what we should make a point about next. Enjoy your time here and let me enjoy mine. Because I will not reply to your call outs anymore YOU GOT TO BE KIDDING ABOUT MY CALLOUTS. I HAVE NEVER HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH YOU TILL YOU ENGAGED ME.
You and me both know.. it's useless and a waste of time. Happy Posting!
LIKEWISE DEAR:)
Maybe it is just me. You do protest too much
Re: Sajda.....
so guys whats problem if someone is thanking ALLAH for some thing he was unsure of it and beleived that witout help of ALLAH he was not able to do that.
As for as asif, aamir and suleman are concerned so why should they dont have performed sajda. here are thousands of people who tell lie, evade tax, etc so should they stop having sajda to ALLAH.
Re: Sajda.....
thanks for not reading the thread and for posting a meaningless post which has nothing to do with the core topic under discussion! and no need for me to respond as i already did respond to these "isolated" statistics multiple times above... only if you had taken time to read some of those posts...but hey thx anyway!!!
Not all of us have the time go through the whole mumbo jumbo and then respond.
But then why are you itimidated by sajda? Its just something personal for a player. It snot like he is stopping half way his delivery and doing a sajda. People celebrate in different ways, afridi with his X style, Gayle with dance, some by making a cross, all is accepted as part of the game.
Who are you to tell them how they should celebrate.