And thats exactly what I say. Make it open. Let Iraqi people look at them in the streets. Or at the very least, let media coverage take the images to all corners of the world. Instead of limited issue of grainy and unclear images filtering out of Baghdad. Do, whatever tests need to be done, and then make it open to public. By the way US is treating this news, it is certainly deemed very important.. then better treat it as important too. Don't make a mockery of it.
I read they are gonna re take the pictures after autopsy and cleaning the body..
^ then we are gonna hear..that the US plastic surgeons did some voodoo to make them look like sweet uday and qusay.
I am somewhat at a disadvantage here not speaking Arabic, but according to the English versions of various Arab Newpapers, NO ONE is expressing doubts about the veracity of the deaths of the brothers. Indeed, they are all trying to explain the fear that the average Iraqi has at the abuses of the brothers.
US releases images of Saddam dead sons
24-07-2003, 15:33
The U.S. military released pictures Thursday showing the bodies of Uday and Qusay Hussein, the sons of Saddam Hussein, two days after they were killed in a fierce firefight in a villa in the northern city of Mosul.
The US occupation forces has said the brothers and a third man, believed to have been a bodyguard, were killed by TOW missiles fired into the villa where they were hiding out Tuesday.
The military released two pictures each of the brothers who were betrayed by an Iraqi, reportedly a Saddam cousin who owned the villa where they were hiding.
http://www.albawaba.com/news/index.php3?
sid=254954&lang=e&dir=news
Editorial: A Small Step
24 July 2003
That Uday and Qusay Hussein are dead is a victory for the Americans and, far more important, a victory for the Iraqi people. Both needed the break.
http://www.arabnews.com/?page=7§ion=0&article=29263&d=24&m=7&y=2003
The ruthless brothers are dead but fear lives on
Baghdad |Reuters | 24-07-2003
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Waiters at a Baghdad restaurant used to sweat with fear when Uday Hussain walked in drunk waving pistols. His brother Qusay sat quietly in the corner. Both still terrify Iraqis, who don’t believe they are dead.
“It is probably just rumours. How do I know they are dead? I am afraid that Uday could return and ask me why I have been talking about him,” said Emmanuel Nissan, a waiter at the club.
http://www.gulfnews.com/Articles/news.asp?ArticleID=93379
US confirms death of Saddam’s sons
BAGHDAD (Reuters) — Former aides to Saddam Hussein as well as medical and dental records confirmed the ousted dictator’s sons Uday and Qusay were killed in a gunbattle with American troops, the US commander in Iraq said on Wednesday
http://www.jordantimes.com/thu/news/news1.htm
And I can’t copy an article from the long suffering Kurds, but it is well worth the read!
Man.. I’ve been walking around half-asleep lately, dunno why I didn’t bring this up earlier:
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…why helicopter gunships and rockets were used to annihilate the Hussein brothers instead of tactics designed to take them alive:
NOTE: don’t go too far with the conspiracy aspect of this.. more likely to be a tactical screw-up.
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I've heard a couple plausible reasons why the commander on the ground didn't want to have a prolonged seige. One is that the reports of tunnels underground made escape a possibility. Two is that a long seige could have resulted in Saddam loyalists coming to rescue the sons and/or shooting at US troops. The longer this thing played out, the more things come into play that could go wrong.
Once the first couple guys who went into the home got shot at and were slightly wounded, I think the commander just said, "screw them" and ordered the use of heavy firepower.
The very best outcome probably would have been to capture them alive. I think we can all agree that the very worst outcome would have been to surround them and then somehow for them to escape. There are all kinds of different scenarios in between. Killing them with no US dead and no confrontation with other Iraqis still rates pretty high in considering the best outcomes.
I can't imagine how it will be for US to actually capture Saddam or Osama or Saddam's sons alive. So its probably just a natural outcome that they'd die fighting. If even half the stuff about Uday and Qusay is correct, then godriddance! World has two scumbags less to worry about. I don't think anyone will be shedding tears on their death in the rest of the world (dunno about Iraqis). So their death doesn't bother me much.
The way their death was projected and later carefully released is irritating.
I don't buy it. Look for stories of Uday and Qusay being spotted in Iraq soon I'm sure. Those pictures are horrible representations. Whoever it was that stated earlier that the US has made it a policy not to show dead enemy soldiers is full of crap. That ONLY became the policy after Al Jazeera showed the video of the dead US terrorists in Iraq. What a bunch of clowns.
No matter who they were, it is always wrong to speak ill of the dead!
Fret its just a set up to cover their tracks for the WMD
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^ then we are gonna hear..that the US plastic surgeons did some voodoo to make them look like sweet uday and qusay.
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Wouldn't be surprised.
Typical tactics by the brave American soldiers. 200 soldiers with the most deadly modern weapons in the world against 3 men and a young boy armed with pistols. The brave freedom fighting Americans call in airstrikes and blow there "fearsome" enemies to smithereens.
Should we feel bad for Saddam's kids? Probably not, but all human beings regardless of there alleged crimes are deserving of fair treatment and justice. They should have been arrested and tried for war crimes.
Routine assinations are wrong regardless of the targets.
Additionally, I thought those pictures were just gross and totally uncalled for. Were'nt the Americans crying and screaming like a month ago when the Iraqis did the same thing to them.
True :k:
i think its disgusting the way the news about the brothers death is being broascasted... it doesnt matter how bad a person is... their death shouldnt be laffed about..
i was quite appalled by the words being used to describe the death of the brothers... they are humans before anything else... and im sure they committed brutal acts.. but what right does a US soldier have to do the same and get away with it? sorry.. not just US.. what right does anyone have... its like tit for tat...
How typical for people to blame the US just because they are appeasing the strange Middle Eastern culture. The US would NEVER publish such disgusting pics of corpses (even if they are of previously disgusting people) if it weren't for the bizarre ME culture that requires such 'proof'. Which in itself is bizarre beacause of the prevelant conspiracy theory attitude of the populace which wouldn't believe it anyway .
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i think its disgusting the way the news about the brothers death is being broascasted... it doesnt matter how bad a person is... their death shouldnt be laffed about..
i was quite appalled by the words being used to describe the death of the brothers... they are humans before anything else... and im sure they committed brutal acts.. but what right does a US soldier have to do the same and get away with it? sorry.. not just US.. what right does anyone have... its like tit for tat...
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true!!
the west protested when videos were broadcasted of living American POWs and called it a human rights abuse. If that was an abuse, what right does the US have to release images of the bodies of Uday and Qusay?
their brutal acts do not, in any way justify their assasination by the US army. Every person reserves the right to prove himself innocnet. They should have been put on trial.
Would it be acceptable to the West if an Iraqi assasinated George W Bush or any member of his administration???......it would be called an act of terror!
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true!!
the west protested when videos were broadcasted of living American POWs and called it a human rights abuse. If that was an abuse, what right does the US have to release images of the bodies of Uday and Qusay?
their brutal acts do not, in any way justify their assasination by the US army. Every person reserves the right to prove himself innocnet. They should have been put on trial.
Would it be acceptable to the West if an Iraqi assasinated George W Bush or any member of his administration???......it would be called an act of terror!
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exactly... i feel that he is a brutal man.. so if an muslim went and bombarded the whitehouse and killed Bush.... would the muslim world have the right to broadcast his death in such a manner? its inhumane.. its barbaric...
and i dont understand how these so called leaders can laff things off so easily? do they not care for the woman who gave birth to these men? do they not care that a God exists....
yeah and i totally agree with u about the whole POW saga.... geez.. that was nothing... when i saw pics of David Hicks.. naked.. taped and captured.. i felt sick... these POWs were drinking chai for goodness sakes
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bizarre ME culture that requires such 'proof'.
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when American soldiers were captured by the Iraqis, the US denied claims by the Iraqis that US soldiers were missing. The images of American POWs(alive) were shown as 'proof' that it had happened. Why did the Americans cry at this 'proof'??
i realize this may be a biased article.
Lack of safety and power worries Iraqis more than fate of Saddam’s sons
Jonathan Steele, The Guardian, July 2003
Despite the tendency for Americans to over-emphasise the 'evilness' of former cronies like Saddam when it suits them politically, let's take at face value that Saddam's boys were particularly rotten apples. Even so, it's difficult not to be struck by the scene of four men holding out for 6 hrs with small arms against 200 marines backed by helicopter gunships.
Compare that to the 'good' arabs like the Kuwaiti national defence which rolled over belly up when Iraqi tanks entered their territory in the last Gulf war. I doubt there has ever been a more craven example of cowardice in history than the Kuwaiti Royal family fleeing their soil without a gun being fired. No doubt they will feel even more embarassed that these evil brothers made such a better fist of defending their land from occupation and I doubt the point will be lost in the arab world.