sabaya

i just wanted to ask a question to our sisters here. what is the general feeling that you have regarding the fact that allah swt has made legal intercourse with slaves that muslims capture in war. we found out how depressing the issue of second marriage is to them because they dont want a rival, but what about a slave? can they live with that?
i know at this time the issue of slaves is not important as there is not a state to distribute the slaves in islamic fashion but when we get one soon inshallah what will your possible reactions be?

And if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly with the orphan_girls, then marry (other) women of your choice, two or three, or four but if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one or (the captives and the slaves) that your right hands possess. That is nearer to prevent you from doing injustice. (An-Nisa 4:3)

Also (forbidden are) women already married, except those (captives and slaves) whom your right hands possess. Thus has Allâh ordained for you. All others are lawful, provided you seek (them in marriage) with Mahr (bridal money given by the husband to his wife at the time of marriage) from your property, desiring chastity, not committing illegal sexual intercourse, so with those of whom you have enjoyed sexual relations, give them their Mahr as prescribed; but if after a Mahr is prescribed, you agree mutually (to give more), there is no sin on you. Surely, Allâh is Ever All_Knowing, All_Wise. (An-Nisa 4:24)

Except from their wives or (the captives and slaves) that their right hands possess, for then, they are free from blame; (Al-Mu’minun 23:6)

Just about the most stupidest question i've read on here...

i was just wondering how ppl feel about this issue, nothing important

You know, once a long time ago, I forget who...posted an explanation of why these verses have been misinterpreted to allow legal intercourse with slaves.

Seems quite counter-intuitive. Are slaves that sub-human that you would not marry them and THEN have intercourse with them?

Doesn't make sense.

I really don't know where that explanation went. Does anyone remember that? Yeh do saal pehle ki baat hai.

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*Originally posted by ThandyMazaq: *

i know at this time the issue of slaves is not important as there is not a state to distribute the slaves in islamic fashion but ** when we get one soon inshallah ** what will your possible reactions be?

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Are you referring to the idea of men being allowed to have slaves or a purely "Islamic" state ?

Maududi wrote an excellent article on the subject. He pointed out that in Islam, people do not purchase slaves, rather they are the property of the State following a military campaign and the state assigns slaves to individuals.

The handing over of a female captive to an individual by the state can be likened to the bond of marriage when a woman is handed over by her wali to an individual.

A slave has rights, duties, and obligations, just like a wife, except a slave has a different and more limited set of rights, duties and obligations.

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"The proper granting of the rights of possession by the State is just as legal an action as marriage. Therefore, a person who does not show the slightest aversion to marriage, there is no reasonable ground for him to show unnecessary aversion to living with a slave girl"
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When dealing with the issue of slavery, one watchout that in particular Muslims in the west must always be aware of is that the original Islamic concept of slavery was very much different to the abomination that slavery had become in the past 500 years, both in the Western world and the Muslim world.

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and why does the slave girl have limited rights? is there a nikkahnama involved?

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*Originally posted by ThandyMazaq: *

i know at this time the issue of slaves is not important as there is not a state to distribute the slaves in islamic fashion but when we get one soon inshallah what will your possible reactions be?
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Let me get this straight. Are you saying that in a future Islamic state, state-sponsored slavery will be re-established, because it is "permitted" in Islam from a historical perspective?

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*Originally posted by Faisal: *
Let me get this straight. Are you saying that in a future Islamic state, state-sponsored slavery will be re-established, because it is "permitted" in Islam from a historical perspective?
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I was about to ask the same question. And he even says "Inshallah". Just because something is permitted in Islam, it doesn't mean we HAVE to do it. Just like the proponents of polygamy. If Islam allows it, it doesn't mean you have to have 4 wives. You can just have one!

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I second that. :rolleyes:

someone explained that having sexual intercourse with a slave is permissible only AFTER the marriage (i.e nikaah)....
just that the slave wont have all the rights of a free wife (perhaps like asking for divorce etc)....

read a whole long essay on it not so long back, but i dont recall it now cuz we dont have slavery any more so i guess we can stop worrying about the Islamic rulings on slaves....

yes, but you know there’s still those men who fantasize about having slaves , in the name of Islam :rolleyes:

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there r those who show desires of jihad on non-muslims, cuz they think that after jihad u can take their women as slaves and enjoy them....

i've even heard guys saying "man i want to go to jihad to so and so place, their women r hot".... "rolleyes: x 1000 if u wish on this....

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1) read my post....
2) IF u understand that i did actually talk of muslims' attitude/thoughts move to step 3, else move back to step 1....
3) next time read more carefully before u post a reply....

thank you :)

I have yet to meet a Muslim of any age or any marital status who say he is doing such and such good deed so he can get 72 virgin (jokes about hoorein are different social phenomenon though). Or as Mughal said going to jihad to enslave beautiful women. :smack:

haha funny topic..this guy is a mazak

Could you please clarify for me something that has been troubling me for a while. This concerns the right of a man to have sexual relations with slave girls. Is this so? If it is then is the man allowed to have relations with her as well his wife/wives. Also, is it true that a man can have sexual relations with any number of slave girls and with their own wife/wives also? I have read that Hazrat Ali had 17 slave girls and Hazrat Umar also had many. Surely if a man were allowed this freedom then this could lead to neglecting the wife’s needs. Could you also tell clarify wether the wife has got any say in this matter.

Answer :

Praise be to Allaah.  

Islam allows a man to have intercourse with his slave woman, whether he has a wife or wives or he is not married. 

A slave woman with whom a man has intercourse is known as a sariyyah (concubine) from the word sirr, which means marriage. 

This is indicated by the Qur’aan and Sunnah, and this was done by the Prophets. Ibraaheem (peace be upon him) took Haajar as a concubine and she bore him Ismaa’eel (may peace be upon them all). 

Our Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) also did that, as did the Sahaabah, the righteous and the scholars. The scholars are unanimously agreed on that and it is not permissible for anyone to regard it as haraam or to forbid it. Whoever regards that as haraam is a sinner who is going against the consensus of the scholars. 

Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): 

“And if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly with the orphan girls then marry (other) women of your choice, two or three, or four; but if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one or (slaves) that your right hands possess. That is nearer to prevent you from doing injustice”

[al-Nisa’ 4:3] 
What is meant by “or (slaves) that your right hands possess” is slave women whom you own. 

And Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): 

“O Prophet (Muhammad)! Verily, We have made lawful to you your wives, to whom you have paid their Mahr (bridal‑money given by the husband to his wife at the time of marriage), and those (slaves) whom your right hand possesses — whom Allaah has given to you, and the daughters of your ‘Amm (paternal uncles) and the daughters of your ‘Ammaat (paternal aunts) and the daughters of your Khaal (maternal uncles) and the daughters of your Khaalaat (maternal aunts) who migrated (from Makkah) with you, and a believing woman if she offers herself to the Prophet, and the Prophet wishes to marry her a privilege for you only, not for the (rest of) the believers. Indeed We know what We have enjoined upon them about their wives and those (slaves) whom their right hands possess, in order that there should be no difficulty on you. And Allaah is Ever Oft‑Forgiving, Most Merciful”

[al-Ahzaab 33:50] 

“And those who guard their chastity (i.e. private parts from illegal sexual acts).

Except from their wives or the (women slaves) whom their right hands possess for (then) they are not blameworthy.

But whosoever seeks beyond that, then it is those who are trespassers”
[al-Ma’aarij 70:29-31] 

Al-Tabari said:  

Allaah says, “And those who guard their chastity” i.e., protect their private parts from doing everything that Allaah has forbidden, but they are not to blame if they do not guard their chastity from their wives or from the female slaves whom their rights hands possess. 

Tafseer al-Tabari, 29/84 

Ibn Katheer said: 

Taking a concubine as well as a wife is permissible according to the law of Ibraaheem (peace be upon him). Ibraaheem did that with Haajar, when he took her as a concubine when he was married to Saarah. 

Tafseer Ibn Katheer, 1/383 

And Ibn Katheer also said: 

The phrase “and those (slaves) whom your right hand possesses — whom Allaah has given to you” [al-Ahzaab 33:50] means, it is permissible for you take concubines from among those whom you seized as war booty. He took possession of Safiyyah and Juwayriyah and he freed them and married them; he took possession of Rayhaanah bint Sham’oon al-Nadariyyah and Maariyah al-Qibtiyyah, the mother of his son Ibraaheem (peace be upon them both), and they were among his concubines, may Allaah be pleased with them both. 

Tafseer Ibn Katheer, 3/500 

The scholars are unanimously agreed that it is permissible. 

Ibn Qudaamah said: 

There is no dispute (among the scholars) that it is permissible to take concubines and to have intercourse with one's slave woman, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):  

“And those who guard their chastity (i.e. private parts from illegal sexual acts).

Except from their wives or the (women slaves) whom their right hands possess for (then) they are not blameworthy.”

[al-Ma’aarij 70:29-30] 

Maariyah al-Qibtiyyah was the umm walad (a slave woman who bore her master a child) of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and she was the mother of Ibraaheem, the son of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), of whom he said, “Her son set her free.” Haajar, the mother of Isma’eel (peace be upon him), was the concubine of Ibraaheem the close friend (khaleel) of the Most Merciful (peace be upon him). ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab (may Allaah be pleased with him) had a number of slave women who bore him children, to each of whom he left four hundred in his will. ‘Ali (may Allaah be pleased with him) had slave women who bore him children, as did many of the Sahaabah. ‘Ali ibn al-Husayn, al-Qaasim ibn Muhammad and Saalim ibn ‘Abd-Allaah were all born from slave mothers 

Al-Mughni, 10/441 

Al-Shaafa’i (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: 

Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): 

“And those who guard their chastity (i.e. private parts from illegal sexual acts).

Except from their wives or the (women slaves) whom their right hands possess for (then) they are not blameworthy.”

[al-Ma’aarij 70:29-30] 

The Book of Allaah indicates that the sexual relationships that are permitted are only of two types, either marriage or those (women slaves) whom one’s right hand possesses. 

Al-Umm, 5/43. 

The wife has no right to object to her husband owning female slaves or to his having intercourse with them. 

And Allaah knows best. 


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I’ve heard that it is allowed for men to have intercourse with their slaves. Does that stand for women too, & if men can have intercourse with their slaves (the ones they have bought) then why is it so much ill thought of the prostitutes…they too are, kind of bought at others will, for shorter time period perhaps. Can you make all this clear & why is it so that Islam did not stop slavery…they are humans as well, & are against their will kept in captivity & against their will may be forced into intercourse?

Answer :

Praise be to Allaah.

Slavery in Islam was originally prescribed because of Kufr. If there is jihaad between the Muslims and the kuffaar, and a number of kuffaar are taken prisoner, the commander is given the choice of sharing them out, doing them a favour (by releasing them) or paying their ransom. If they are shared out as part of the booty, they become slaves, subject to the laws governing products which may be sold. But at the same time, Islam urges the freeing of slaves and makes doing so an act of expiation for numerous sins. In principle, slavery is not something that is desirable; what is encouraged in Islam is the freeing of slaves. If a woman is enslaved according to sharee’ah, it is permissible for her master to have intercourse with her. This is unlike prostitution or zinaa, which Islam has forbidden as a precaution against mixing lineages and other reasons for which it is forbidden. There is no comparison between the two, because if a slave woman becomes pregnant, the child belongs to the master and she becomes free when he dies, because she has become the mother of the master’s child (umm walad), and is subject to the same rulings as a wife. And Allaah knows best.

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