"Whoever calls/guides others to guidance will have a reward like the rewards of those who follow him, without that detracting from their reward in any way.” Hadeeth
How can doing any kind of act of supplication and worship be condemned even if it is attributed to certain night ? Any act of worship done any day or any time with good intentions and for making Allah(SWT) happy should be encouraged not condemned just to prove superior religious knowledge. Arrogance is a bigger sin in Islam and showing off religious knowledge is an act of arrogance.
Stopping people from Reading Quran on name of Islam.
Stopping People from Reading Nawafil on name of Islam.
Stopping People from Praising Prophet s.a.w on name of Islam
Stopping people from fasting on name of Islam.
How can doing any kind of act of supplication and worship be condemned even if it is attributed to certain night ? Any act of worship done any day or any time with good intentions and for making Allah(SWT) happy should be encouraged not condemned just to prove superior religious knowledge. Arrogance is a bigger sin in Islam and showing off religious knowledge is an act of arrogance.
Assalaamu alaykum wa rahmatullaah
Worship and ibaadah can be done anytime, yes it is correct & Allaah will give the reward.
But mostly people who are worshipping on the night or day of sha'baan depends on weak or fabricated ahadeeth, which are lies against the Prophet. so if anyone is worshipping while he is in habbit of doing ibaadah throughout the month, then it is fine. but if its only done on 15th shabaan, then it is not proven
An act of ibaadah, will be rejected if it is not according to Qur'aan & Sunnah. The religion is complete & the teaching of Islaam are complete. ANY act which in done specifically on certain days/time & are NOT PROVEN will be rejected.
It is not to prove superior religious knowledge by any mean, it is showing the straight path & bidah, widely practiced.
If any act of worship is not proven to be done by the prophet or shahabah or by later generations, then the scholars do ijtihaad to provide rulings about it. And it is ruled as "bid'ah" to specify the night of 15th or day for fasting"
Stopping people from Reading Quran on name of Islam.
Stopping People from Reading Nawafil on name of Islam.
Stopping People from Praising Prophet s.a.w on name of Islam
Stopping people from fasting on name of Islam.
My friends this is Muaviyagiri for you.
Assalaamu alaykum wa rahmatullaah
Thats really nice:
Reading Quran on name of Islam only specifically on 15th shabaan
Reading Nawafil on name of Islam only on night of 15th sha'ban **
Praising Prophet s.a.w on name of Islam **only on 15th shabaan or mai'raaj night
fasting on name of Islam only doing on 15th sha'baan
so if anyone is in a habit of or continually :
**
reading Qur'aan through out the months, year **then we are not stopping them
reading Nawafil through out the months, years then it is not addressed to them Praising & following the sunnah of Prophet sallAllaahu alyhi wa sallam all through the year, then these rules does not apply to them
Fasting throughout the months, years (13,14,15th of each month, mondays, thursdays, 6 days of shawwal, etc) then none is stopping them to fast on 15th of shabaan.
Why specifying the 15th of shabaan, why not other 15ths of months.
why only praying the night of 15th sha'baan, why not the rest of the nights of shabaan.
why only fast on the day of 15th sha'baan, why not the most of sha'baan.
may Allaah guide us to the straight path & to what is pleasing to Him
Worship and ibaadah can be done anytime, yes it is correct & Allaah will give the reward.
But mostly people who are worshipping on the night or day of sha'baan depends on weak or fabricated ahadeeth, which are lies against the Prophet. so if anyone is worshipping while he is in habbit of doing ibaadah throughout the month, then it is fine. but if its only done on 15th shabaan, then it is not proven
An act of ibaadah, will be rejected if it is not according to Qur'aan & Sunnah. The religion is complete & the teaching of Islaam are complete. ANY act which in done specifically on certain days/time & are NOT PROVEN will be rejected.
It is not to prove superior religious knowledge by any mean, it is showing the straight path & bidah, widely practiced.
If any act of worship is not proven to be done by the prophet or shahabah or by later generations, then the scholars do ijtihaad to provide rulings about it. And it is ruled as "bid'ah" to specify the night of 15th or day for fasting"
& Allah knows best
wassalaam
Umm Abdullaah
I am not Nauzubillah Allah(SWT) so I do not know for certainty if Allah(SWT) will reject ibadah because someone did it because of a weak or fake hadees. I hope Allah(SWT) out of Allah's mercy will accept all ibadah if they are not done to show off others(ria kari) .
Remember one persons weak or fake hadees is true and carved in stone hadees for other. They are doing ibadah because they are sure that a hadees which makes you to do more ibadah cannot be weak or fabricated. Due to Islamic principle of "Innamal amaloo bin niyaat" Actions depend on intentions Allah(SWT) will accept these ibadah , Inshallah.
You should worry about your own ibadah and you should do your ibadah on the days , months and times you think are right , leave others alone to do their ibadah according to their own beliefs.
Allah(SWT) cannot be unjust to reject any ibadah. Allah(SWT) knows that people are worshiping Allah(SWT) not Month of Shaban or 15th day or night of shaban. People are reading Quran which Allah(SWT) sent are they reading different Quran ? Quran promises to reward its reading on anytime , any day or any month , it does not forbid you from reading Quran on any special night of special month.
People are praying nawafil which you can read on any day , any night , any month are they praying nawafil for nazubillah for some other deity other than Allah(SWT) ?
Weak hadith and fabricated hadith are two completely different things. Anyhow, I can’t remember if there is a night of ibadah or not, but I’ll check with the imam when go for juma today
The Prophet (sallallahu alahi wa-sallam) commanded us, to reject everything, which has no basis in the religion saying: “Whosoever does an action, which we have not commanded then it must be rejected." [Saheeh Muslim]
"Whosoever introduces into this religion of ours that which is not a part of it then it must be rejected” [Musnad Ahmad]
IF a person does a deed without knowing the reality and authenticity about it, then inshaAllaah, Allaah will accept his deed. But if it has been made clear that certain acts of ibaadah come under bid’ah, & still the person is insisting on doing it, though provided with valid resources & proofs. then doing that act is bid’ah.
For a deed to be “accepted” there are 2 condtions to be followed:
Since you have your own interpretation of these ahadees . I have my own and according to my interpretation these ahadees refer to basic tenants of Islam and basic beliefs of Islam they do not apply to nawafil if someone wants to pray nawafil on 15th of shabaan or 16th of shabaan or 10th of zilhij these ahadees do not apply to them.
Regarding the fatwa against the hadith of 15th of Sha'baan
1) It is classified as weak - there is consensus in that
2) There is one narrator in the chain who has been classed as unreliable according to some but there is ikhtilaf in this and other say his narration is sound.
3) Some say acting on weak hadith is not acceptable others say acting on weak hadith is ok
4) As a result of 2 and 3 some say this hadith is fabricated (but by so saying they then contradict the already da'eef classification it has) then call it a bid'a. However others say it to be considered part of the Sunnah.
5) Since there are two clear differences of opinion it is wrong to say people are not following Sunnah, because they are based on this hadith ... it is absurd to make that assertion ... on the other hand the sincerity is clear as well ...
6) There is also a difference of opinion about bid'a and some say ALL bid'a are transgressions and yet others say not all of them are ...
However we cannot call this a bid'a in the sense that it is a hadith ... that has not been called mawdoo' in which case you should begrudgingly accept this practice from those who wish it ... such as most of us here ... Peace.
Since you have your own interpretation of these ahadees . I have my own and according to my interpretation these ahadees refer to basic tenants of Islam and basic beliefs of Islam they do not apply to nawafil if someone wants to pray nawafil on 15th of shabaan or 16th of shabaan or 10th of zilhij these ahadees do not apply to them.
assalaamu alaykum
I am only a student of knowledge, not a scholar to interpret ahadeeth according to my own desires. These ahadeeth are interpreted by knowledgeable scholars and ulamaa' of this deen.
If there was any significance or virtues of fasting/praying on 15th sha'baan, our Prophet sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam would have told us about it.
**
(like praying 2 rak'ah after fajr, after sun has risen has the reward of a complete Hajj & Umrah) such a big reward** or **
praying 4 rak'ah before and 4 after Dhur andmaintaining it.. Allaah makes the hell-fire Haraam to touch him**. subhanAllaah such big virtues deeds.
He told us many ahadeeth/deeds of greatest virtues and great rewards. so why he didn't tell us or practiced or told sahabah about this "15th sha'ban" thing. There are enough references, proofs and daleel about the reality of 15th sha'baan.
may Allaah guide you and us.......and keep us firm on straight path. ameen
2ndly acting on weak ahadeeth when we have authentic ahadeeth about certain deed or ibaadah, yes the scholars differed upon it but those who permit it, have put certain conditions to be followed.
Read this:
"Even if we assume that the hadeeth is da’eef (weak) and not mawdoo’ (fabricated), the correct scholarly view is that weak ahaadeeth should not be followed at all, even if they speak of righteous deeds or of targheeb and tarheeb (promises and warnings). The saheeh reports are sufficient and the Muslim has no need to follow the da’eef reports. Nothing
is known in Islam to suggest that this night or day is special, either from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) or from his companions.
**Here is a detailed answer about acting on weak hadeeth with “conditions”
3rdly, if a hadeeth is graded as fabricated with valid proofs, then we should not say that people are following the sunnah, but they are following a fabricated hadeeth.
Reading Quran on name of Islam only specifically on 15th shabaan
Reading Nawafil on name of Islam only on night of 15th sha'ban **
Praising Prophet s.a.w on name of Islam **only on 15th shabaan or mai'raaj night
fasting on name of Islam only doing on 15th sha'baan
so if anyone is in a habit of or continually :
**
reading Qur'aan through out the months, year **then we are not stopping them
reading Nawafil through out the months, years then it is not addressed to themPraising & following the sunnah of Prophet sallAllaahu alyhi wa sallam all through the year, then these rules does not apply to them
Fasting throughout the months, years (13,14,15th of each month, mondays, thursdays, 6 days of shawwal, etc) then none is stopping them to fast on 15th of shabaan.
Why specifying the 15th of shabaan, why not other 15ths of months.
why only praying the night of 15th sha'baan, why not the rest of the nights of shabaan.
why only fast on the day of 15th sha'baan, why not the most of sha'baan.
may Allaah guide us to the straight path & to what is pleasing to Him
UmmAbdullaah
People do special nawafils and Dua's, read Quran and spent Night doing ibadat on 27th of Ramzan. Does that mean its a bad thing ?
I am only a student of knowledge, not a scholar to interpret ahadeeth according to my own desires. These ahadeeth are interpreted by knowledgeable scholars and ulamaa' of this deen.
If there was any significance or virtues of fasting/praying on 15th sha'baan, our Prophet sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam would have told us about it.
**
(like praying 2 rak'ah after fajr, after sun has risen has the reward of a complete Hajj & Umrah) such a big reward** or **
praying 4 rak'ah before and 4 after Dhur andmaintaining it.. Allaah makes the hell-fire Haraam to touch him**. subhanAllaah such big virtues deeds.
He told us many ahadeeth/deeds of greatest virtues and great rewards. so why he didn't tell us or practiced or told sahabah about this "15th sha'ban" thing. There are enough references, proofs and daleel about the reality of 15th sha'baan.
may Allaah guide you and us.......and keep us firm on straight path. ameen
Umm Abdullaah
You have only one mission in life and it is to criticize other people's religious practices. I can go on and on but I know it is useless to have any discussion with you at this point. Leave other alone to practice their beliefs as they deem fit. You yourself said that you are a student of religion therefore you are not qualified to get into these kinds of discussions.
The Messenger of Allah SAW said: "Allah gazes at His creation on the 15th night of Sha'ban and then forgives all His slaves except for two types of people: those who attribute partners to Allah and those who have rancour for their fellow Muslims." (Ahmad and others)
The night of the 15th of Sha'ban is one of the greatest nights of the year - a night on which Allah forgives sins, accepts those returning to Him, and opens the doors of His giving. It is an ideal night to gather to remember Allah, remind ourselves of how to return to Him, renew our resolve to uphold the way of the Beloved Messenger of Allah SAW in our lives, and to celebrate Allah's gifts, spiritual and material through thankfulness and expressions of love.
this is from a Shaykh, who is a scholar. And many other Shaykhs agree with this.
you should study about what good and bad innovations are.
I agree with most of your post … if you read my post again it will include what you have written … however when you argue that most scholars follow your opinion … this is not true, at least it is not substantiated in your post or links … at most there are about 5 or 6 scholars who are saying this from your references. I don’t follow scholars who hold those opinions that your scholars hold in which case we are bound to differ and there is nothing we can do about it …
Next I picked up another point in your response …
You said that if “hadeeth is graded as fabricated with valid proofs, then we should not say that people are following the sunnah, but they are following a fabricated hadeeth.” I can be strict and say “where in hadith does it say this?” Where is the proof of the statement “if hadeeth is graded as fabricated with valid proofs …” but I won’t … because it won’t get us anywhere … however I will say that the key word is VALID proof … now if a hadeeth is da’eef according to majority and not mawdo’ and others say it is mawdoo’ - it is correct to go with the majority opinion or more specifically incorrect to go with the minority opinion. If you can provide valid proof that the majority of scholars call it mawdoo’ then you may have a point. Let’s start here. Until that point there is a potential Sunnah that is being ignored.
You have only one mission in life and it is to criticize other people's religious practices. I can go on and on but I know it is useless to have any discussion with you at this point. Leave other alone to practice their beliefs as they deem fit. You yourself said that you are a student of religion therefore you are not qualified to get into these kinds of discussions.
Dear Brother/sister Mirch
I dont have the mission to criticize other peoples practices.
But I would like to say & tell others about the correct & incorrect things, within my capabilities & knowledge. (Amr Bil Ma3roof wa Nahi 3An Al-munkar)
I have provided the sources and references about the reality of sha3baan. Its up to you and others to follow or not to follow, to believe or not to believe, to accept or not to accept.
Yes, I am a student of knowledge & am not qualified to go into debates or discussion like these, but I am not discussing from my knowledge or my interpretation or explanations. I provided each daleel and proof from great and big scholars of this deen, who has written many books & given fatawas & whose fatawas in other fields of Ibaadah are infact accepted by many of you & others.
This will be my last reply regarding this thread.
I did what I can alhamdulillaah & may Allaah accept it. ameen
The Messenger of Allah SAW said: “Allah gazes at His creation on the 15th night of Sha’ban and then forgives all His slaves except for two types of people: those who attribute partners to Allah and those who have rancour for their fellow Muslims.” (Ahmad and others).
Yes, this hadeeth is authenticated by shaykh Al-bani.
But is there any mentioning about doing ibaadah, offering nawafil on this night.
Example About Laylatul Qadr.
Allaah subhanahu wa ta3ala said about it its better than 1000 Months. and there is a hadeeth that whoever prays on laylatul Qadr “with eeman & ihtisab” will be forgiven his previous sins"
so there is mentioning of praying and its reward in the above hadeeth.. right?
what about the hadeeth, you quoted.
It only mentions about this night to be virtues as Allah forgive sins of 2 kinds of people..
so does it mean to pray or do ibaadah. or does it mean to clean our hearts from hatred, rancour, sins & shirk? About this hadeeth, majority of scholars explained that this is happening each night.
There is an authentic hadeeth in which the prophet mentions that Allaah comes down to lowest heaven every night and say: (which means) who is asking me for forgiveness & i will forgive him (I dont have exact wordings of the hadeeth now)
so this is happening in all nights (automatically included in it is 15th sha3baan)
2ndly you wrote:
The night of the 15th of Sha’ban is one of the greatest nights of the
year - a night on which Allah forgives sins, accepts those returning to
Him, and opens the doors of His giving. It is an ideal night to gather
to remember Allah, remind ourselves of how to return to Him, renew our
resolve to uphold the way of the Beloved Messenger of Allah SAW in our
lives, and to celebrate Allah’s gifts, spiritual and material through
thankfulness and expressions of love.
this is from a Shaykh, who is a scholar. And many other Shaykhs agree with this.
{{The night of the 15th of Sha’ban is one of the greatest nights of the year}}
**Allaah subhanahu wa ta3la said in Qur’aan "laylatul Qadr is better than 1000 months, meaning 82 years (aaprox.)
so should we accept & believe what Allaah has mentioned in His BOOK??**
or the practice of our prophet sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam, where there is NO proof of him, worshipping on this night?
or the shaykh whom you mentioned??
Mostly people have wrong belief that 15th of sha3baan is actually the night on which riqz is granted etc…which actually is the night of Qadr.
If you except that this is such a blessing filled night , what do you want us to do instead of ibadah and nawafil , play guitar ?
How lame is your own argument ?
