Re: Rulings about the 15th of Sha3baan
The night of the 15th of Sha'ban is **one **of the greatest nights of the year
It's ONE, not the only.
again, you have your scholars and i have mine. And if you have an issue with this topic, please consult a Scholar/Shaykh that is more knowledgeable about acknowledging the 15th of Shaban. They will help guide you.
so are u sure that was goign to be your last post regarding this matter????
Re: Rulings about the 15th of Sha3baan
The question is that since this night is filled with blessings then why din all the SAHABA did the ibadat on this night .. at least I dun have any reference of such thing .. :s ..
the question is that if this night is such filled with blessings then why these blessings are important only for south-asian people .. why other muslims don’t pray or do ibadat on this night .. ?
I am confuse!
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TI000, i see that your in mississagua. I suggest you visit the masjid I attend. its not a South Asian masjid..in fact, the Imam is West Indian, and the congregation is multinational - from Arabs, to South Asians, to Africans, to converts etc.
Many people have asked him questions concerning what they think is bidah and have their salafi/wahabi views, and he explains the concept to you and will bring you back to the understanding of traditional islamic practises.
ive seen many people that had similar views of Umm Abdullah, but after discussing it with this Iman and other Shaykhs like him, they thought differently.
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Thanks, would definitely visit him ..
I have been searching for these things a lot .. but i never found any single reference in saheeh bukhari or muslim .. .. there are references which states that shab'aan is important and blessed month, but i couldn't see anything related to 15th ..
Re: Rulings about the 15th of Sha3baan
Assalamu alaykum
Dear psyah
Firstly, The scholars are not following my opinion. Infact they researched in the field with utmost efforts and then gave the fatawas.
2ndly, yes, we will differ if we follow or take different fatawa by different scholars, having different opinions or proofs.
3rdly, about hadeeth being fabricated with valid proofs" I think you mustread the ebooks which are given in the link as the proofs are provided there from scholars & researchers of ahadeeth.
4thly, about keyword “valid” you said:
however I will say that the key word is VALID proof … now if a hadeeth is da’eef according to majority and not mawdo’ and others say it is mawdoo’ - it is correct to go with the majority opinion or more specifically incorrect to go with the minority opinion. If you can provide valid proof that the majority of scholars call it mawdoo’ then you may have a point. Let’s start here. Until that point there is a potential Sunnah that is being ignored.
Majority of ahadeeth ulamaa’ have graded many ahadeeth mentioning the virtues or ibaadah on 15th shabaan as mawdoo’. You can read the e-books as all the details are there.
I have provided valid proofs. These are scholars like Shaykh bin Baaz (his long fatwa about these ahadeeth is there in ebooks), shaykh uthaymeen, shaykh Jibreen, Shaykh Ghudayyan, Shaykh Ibraheem Al As-Shaykh, (these are all members of research committee of fatawa)
&
Ibn al-Jawzi in his book al-Mawdoo’aat, Ibn Qayyim al-Jawziyyah, Abu Shaamah al-Shaafa’i.
Shaykh al-Islam [Ibn Taymiyah] narrated that there was consensus on the fact that they are false, in Majmoo’ al-Fataawa, 28/138.
**Lets assume, its a sunnah & its a daeef hadeeth (as some said).. or say majority are saying its daeef hadeeth
**
but there are conditions to follow daef hadeeth.
Our attitude concerning da’eef (weak) ahaadeeth which speak of good deeds - Islam Question & Answer
so we need to read the conditions before we say that even the hadeeth is daef, we will still follow it.
so do you have a “valid” proof that prophet sallAllahu alayhi wa sallam practiced this or did ibaadah on 15th.
no more replies, please read the books to know authenticity of the ahadeeth.
I have provided all references from major scholars (not myself)..
may Allaah keep us firm on straight path
UmmAbdullaah
Re: Rulings about the 15th of Sha3baan
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Re: Rulings about the 15th of Sha3baan
Read my full post again.
“Allaah is forgiving…” I mentioned there is an authentic hadeeth is Allaah is forgiving every night…so do ibaadah and nawafil every night. 
yani throughout the year .not only on 15th..
Re: Rulings about the 15th of Sha3baan
Read my full post again.
"Allaah is forgiving......" I mentioned there is an authentic hadeeth is Allaah is forgiving every night.....so do ibaadah and nawafil every night. :)
yani throughout the year .not only on 15th..
We do pray nawafil every night when we pray Isha namaz. Don't we.
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The night is gone but I see people are still debating 
In any event, this is from a prominent scholar of Pakistan, should help
Re: Rulings about the 15th of Sha3baan
Wa’alikumuSalam UmmAbdullaah
In my previous post I asked if you can provide valid proof that the majority of scholars call it mawdoo’ then you may have a point. Let’s start here. Until that point there is a potential Sunnah that is being ignored.
And you answered “Majority of ahadeeth ulamaa’ have graded many ahadeeth mentioning the virtues or ibaadah on 15th shabaan as mawdoo’.” You gave me only one book to read and listed …
Shaykh bin Baaz (his long fatwa about these ahadeeth is there in ebooks),
shaykh uthaymeen
shaykh Jibreen
Shaykh Ghudayyan
Shaykh Ibraheem Al As-Shaykh
Ibn al-Jawzi in his book al-Mawdoo’aat
Ibn Qayyim al-Jawziyyah
Abu Shaamah al-Shaafa’i.
Shaykh al-Islam [Ibn Taymiyah] narrated that there was consensus on the fact that they are false, in Majmoo’ al-Fataawa, 28/138.
You also said that in the case of da’eef hadith we have to use certain rules … as per this link …Our attitude concerning da’eef (weak) ahaadeeth which speak of good deeds - Islam Question & Answer
Before I answer please see these:
**Imam Suyuti **says: As for the night of mid-Shaban, it has great merit and it is desirable (mustahabb) to spend part of it in supererogatory worship. [Haqiqat al-sunna wa al-bida aw al-amr bi al-ittibawa al-nahian al-ibtida Page No. 58]
I say: This hadith is missing the Companion in its chain, and is a “Good Hadith”. Bayhaqi in Shu`ab al-iman Volume 003: Hadith Number 3835]
**Imam Shafi’i **write:
و بلغنا أنه كان يقال إن الرعاء يستجاب في خمس في ليال في ليلة جمعة و ليلة الأضحى و ليلة الفطر و اول ليلة من رجب و ليلة النصف من شعبان
Translation: Of the narrations that have reached us, verily, dua is accepted on five nights: the night of Juma’, the night of E’id Al-Adha, the night of E’id Al-Fitr, the first night of Rajab, and the 15th night of Shabaan”. [al-Umm, Volume 001, Page No. 231]
Imam Shurunbulali Hanafi writes:
وندب احياء ليالي العشر الاخبر من رمضان واحياء ليلتي العيدين وليالي عشر زي الحجة وليلة النصف من شعبان
Translation: It is desirable to revive the last ten nights of Ramadan, two nights of Eidain (Eid ul-Fitr and Eid ul-Adha), ten nights of Zil Hijjah, and the 15th night of Sha`ban. [Noorul Eidhah Page No. 63]
Shaikh Abu-Ishaq Ibrahim Al-Hanbali writes:
ويستحب احيا مابين العشانين الخبر قال جماعة و ليلة عاشورا وليلة اول رجب وليلة نصف شعبان
Translation: It is desirable to revive the time (with salat and ibadah) between the two E’sha’s (Maghrib and E’sha) because of the ahaadith. Many scholars say: Similarly with the night of Ashura, the first night of Rajab, and the 15th night of Sha`ban. [Al-Mubdi Volume 002, Page No. 27]
Sheikh Mansoor Bahoti Hanbali writes:
واما ليلة النصف من شعبان ففيها فضل وكان في السلف من يصلي فيها الاجتماح فيها لا حيانهافي المساجد بدعة اه وفئ استحباب قيامها اي ليلة النصف من شعبان مافئ احياء ليلة العيد
Translation: As for the 15th night of Shaban, it is a night of virtue. Some of the salaf prayed the whole night, although establishing congregational prayers (on this night) is good innovation. And the reward of ibadah on "the 15th night of Shaban" is the same as the reward of ibadah on the night of E’id. [Kash-shaful Qina, Volume 001: Page No. 444]
Mubarakpuri (Salafi scholer) writes:
اعلم أنه قد ورد في فضيلة ليلة النصف من شعبان عدة أحاديث مجموعها يدل على أن لها أصلا
Translation: You should know that a sufficient number of hadith has been narrated confirming “the virtues of the 15th night of Sha`ban”. All these ahaadith prove that it has a basis.
After relating many Ahadith about the importance of this night he says:
فهذه الأحاديث بمجموعها حجة على من زعم أنه لم يثبت في فضيلة ليلة النصف من شعبان شيء والله تعالى أعلم
Translation: The sum of all these ahadith is strong evidence against the one “who thinks there is no proof” of the virtue of the 15th night of Sha`ban" and Allah knows best. [Tuhfatul Ahwadhi Volume 003: Page. 365-367]
**
Ibn-Taimiyyah** was asked about of the 15th night of Sha’ban. He replied:
اما ليلة النصف روئ فئ فضلهااحاديث واثار ونقل عن طانفتهمن السلف انهم كانوايصلون فيها فصلاة الرجل فيها وحده وقد تقدمه فيه سلف فيه حجته فلا ينكرمثل هزا
Translation: As for the 15th night of Shabaan, there are many narrations and Athar (quotes from the Sahabah) regarding its virtue. It has been reported of the salaf that they prayed in this night. Therefore, praying alone on this night, having precedence in the salaf, is sufficient evidence and something of this kind surely cannot be denied.
At another occasion, Ibn-Taimiyyah was asked the same question and he replied:
وسنل عن صلاة نصف شعبان فاجاب ازا صلئ الانسان ليلة النصف وحده اوفئ جماعته خاصته كما كان يفل جماعته خاصته كما كان يفعل طوانف من السلف فهواحسن
Translation: If one prays on this night alone or in a select company of people as many groups amongst the salaf did, “then it is good”. [Fatawa Ibn Taimiyyah Volume 23, Page 131-132]
Now one my scholarly references is also in your list … on this matter we can’t both be right … What I will do now is read through that link that you gave me to see if they all declared the hadith mawdoo’ … and if so … there are other hadith around this matter and by declaring one hadith mawdoo’ it does not make the whole matter of the celebration of the night mawdoo’ … however there is clear difference of opinion … but I would like to make a stand here …
I do not believe the majority of the scholars say that the virtue of 15th of sha’baan is baseless and fabricated … I think you may need to revise that opinion.
Re: Rulings about the 15th of Sha3baan
Peace UmmAbdullah
Ok … I just started to read Shaykh bin Baaz’s article on the subject - form the link you gave … now you said the majority of the scholars call the ahadeeth of this occasion mawdoo’ however the late Shaykh Bin Baaz himself has said otherwise …
**“What the majority of scholars say is that celebrating
this occasion is bid’ah, and that the ahaadeeth concerning the virtues of this
occasion are all da’eef (weak), and some of them are mawdoo’ (fabricated)”
**
http://towardshuda.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/en_shabaan.pdf ---- Page 2
Now a point is to be made here … some scholars say when there are a number of different ahadeeth all of which are da’eef but talk about the same subject confirming one another if they are from different chains it strengthens the matter that they talk about … However this point is being ignored in the article by Sh. bin Baaz.
Now Sh. bin baaz states this on the bottom of page 4:
**Al-Haafiz al-‘Iraaqi said: “The hadeeth about the prayer during the night of
the middle of Sha’baan is fabricated and is falsely attributed to the
Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).”
**What I see here is quite clear … the hadeeth is being classified here … not the subject … it may be that there is a hadeeth that is fabricated talking about a matter that is true however the narrators in the chain or the specific words that were used may be fabricated … Now in this quote it is important to note that Sh. Al-Haafiz al-Iraaqi is not stating “ahadeeth” but is talking about a specific hadith and secondly in this quote he does not give his opinion about the subject matter - i.e. whether it should be followed or not.
At the beginning of page 5 - Imam An-Nawawi is quoted … note here the virtue of the night of 15th of Sha’baan is not the subject of the quote … rather it is about 2 types of prayer Salat al-raghaaib and Salat al-nusf-min-Shabaan, that were being read on 15th of Sha’baan. Since these two are never practised today by anyone I know it is a non-issue. Note the subject is not about the virtue of the night and it does not prevent extra nawaafil just these two prayers which are baseless.
Also none of the hadith provided talked about fasting yet the conclusion drawn forbids this … the few hadeeth that were analysed in the article were probably mawdoo’ but if they were not the complete list of hadeeth on the subject then drawing a conclusion based on them alone is dangerous …