bilkul Shaasavera i also like & appreciate Saleem bhai comments who gave detailed reply.....actually i couldn't clear my point of view.....meray mind main yehi baat thi jo Saleem bhai nay ki......temple main namaz ya Quran parhnay main mujay b koi one percent problem nahi......but if we make it a routine or practice than it will lead to a Major Sin......meri nazer main gunah gar sirf wo nahi jis say gunah hua ya jis nay gunah kia........bal k wo tamam circumstances bhi gunah main braber k hissa dar hotay hain jinhon nay ek innocent ko us gunah tk janay main lead kia......in short! Gunah-e-Jaria ho ga......jis main pehla shakhs braber ka hissa-dar ho ga
(lakin yeh meri apni opinion hay, kisi molvi ko aitraz ho to mazrat)
Saleem bhai is saying it is not an issue if there is need like in this case..mother ke paas paise nahi the masjid ke liye aur woh khud temple mein aayi thi. Koi nahi keh raha ke yeh practice ban jaye.Na hi temple wale aur ye ma bhi nahi. AUr unhon ne kaha ke ghalat tab hi hai jab concentration affect kare. Aur yahan aise bhi ho sakta hai concentration affect na ho. Woh tamam circumstances yeh bhi huey ke father ne khatil kyon kiya, woh jail kyon gaye..agar woh hote to shayad ma ko apne ek beta ke liye mandir mein nahi karna hota. Agar aur log unke community mein help karte to shayad unko mandir mein madad mangne ki zaroorat nahi hoti.
Saleem bhai is saying it is not an issue if there is need like in this case..mother ke paas paise nahi the masjid ke liye aur woh khud temple mein aayi thi. Koi nahi keh raha ke yeh practice ban jaye.Na hi temple wale aur ye ma bhi nahi. AUr unhon ne kaha ke ghalat tab hi hai jab concentration affect kare. Aur yahan aise bhi ho sakta hai concentration affect na ho. Woh tamam circumstances yeh bhi huey ke father ne khatil kyon kiya, woh jail kyon gaye..agar woh hote to shayad ma ko apne ek beta ke liye mandir mein nahi karna hota. Agar aur log unke community mein help karte to shayad unko mandir mein madad mangne ki zaroorat nahi hoti.
muslims ki halat itni buri hay India main k hud nahi.......wo becharay mandir ya church na ja'in to kia karain :(
yeh kaise batata hai ke halat buri hai. Mana minorites ke har desh mein issues hote hain. Lekin Agar koi western country hoti toh agar kisi white person se help mange kyon kii woh zyaada hai kya iska matlab hai ke muslims buri position mein hai.
Agar aisa hai to junaid jamshed kyun gaya wahan. Agar koi hindu ya christian kisi muslim se help mange pakistan mein kya iska yeh matlab hai ke woh buri position mein hai.
Agar kisi Indian muslim ne kisi Hindu ki madad ki kya woh buri position mein hai?
Agar kisi Pakistani ko India jana padhe medical treatment ke liye kya iska yeh matlab hai ke woh buri position mein hai? Agar unko kisi hindu ke ghar mein ruk na padhe jahan idols ho kya woh namaaz nahi kar sakte kisi aur room mein uss ghar ke andar?
In sab sawalon ka jawab nahi hai.Insaan doosro ke madad karte hain..insaan nahi dekhte ke unka kya mazhab hai ya kya jaati hai. Agar kisi ko madad karne ke kabil banaya hai Khuda ne to uski madad karna chaiye
Nahi......shasvera nay baat ki thi k ek muslim help k lye mandir gaya......muslims ki financial position ki baat ki :(
Ab maine ek naye post mein aur baatein boli hain. Aise examples bhi hain ke Muslims ne Hindus ko help kiya India mein financially mandir banane mein. Aziz Premji Muslim hain aur India ke richest mein se hain.Aur Dubai mein Indian aur Pakistani Muslims ki kya financial position hai? Aur unko kitna madad milti hai emirati Muslims se. Kya Arab Muslims apne doctors bhej the hain Pakistan madad ke liye? Kya woh Indian aur Pakistani Muslim mareez lete hain madad ke liye? Aur Pakistani Hindus ke kya financial position hain jo unhon ne muft medical camps organise kiya hai?
Aur yeh baat bhi hai ke jo muslim ne help mangi woh ek aurat thi jiska pati jail mein hai aur uske bacche road accident mein mar gaya. Aise hindu auratein bhi bahot hongi jo pati ke marne ke baad funeral afford nahi kar sakti. Aur mandir logon ne khane ka karcha organise kiya. Aap yeh kyon na kehti ke aurat ne masjid pe madad kyon nahi mangi. India mein bahot saare masjid bhi toh hain. Lekin agar unko laga yahan madad mil sakti hai to woh kyon nahi ja sakti.
But if you are objecting to Allah being prayed to in the presence or location where other Gods are prayed to (mandirs) then by the same token mountains, trees, grounds, water etc should also be objectionable because worship takes place there too!
This is why location form etc should not become constraints for one who really believes in God
@ Shaasavera re 1st sentence of post 285 - I think Muslims as a whole are less financially secure than Hindus in India. Probably due to some institutionalized discrimination. That is what Humaina may be referring to? The rest of your post I agree with.
If above is incorrect, am open to being corrected.
The poverty rate between Hindus and Muslims is not at all what some think the dramatic gulf it to be. By 2011-12, 21.9% of Hindus and 25.4% of Muslims were below the Tendulkar poverty line. Scheduled Tribe and Scheduled Castes were actually the worst off at 43% and 29.4%.
For decades Muslims simply did not send girls to school at a much a higher rate than the others.
Institutionalized discriminiation as an exception may be but not the norm - Pre 1990 IMO was a different story with huge differences in poverty rates.
“Perhaps the single most striking feature of this figure is that the poverty ratio for Muslims has fallen below that for Hindus in as many as seven out of the sixteen states for which we are credibly able to estimate the poverty ratio for both communities. The eight states are: Andhra Pradesh, Gujarat, Jammu and Kashmir, Kerala, Madhya Pradesh, Rajasthan, and Tamil Nadu. In four of these
eight states, Andhra Pradesh, Jammu and Kashmir, Kerala and Tamil Nadu, the poverty ratio for the Muslims is below ten percent. In the fifth, Gujarat, at 11.4 percent, it is only marginally above the ten percent mark. Among the ten largest states by population that exhibit higher poverty ratios for Muslims than Hindus
are Bihar, Karnataka, Maharashtra, Uttar Pradesh and West Bengal.”
Mere sawalon ka kya hua I think minorities in all countries generally have to face some inequality whether Christians in Pakistan or Muslims in India or African Americans in US. No one is saying there are no issues but the situation is improving. Also the first article says Sikhs have better standard of living than Hindus or Muslims and they are even lower minority. Even Christians and Sikhs have better income than Hindus. Maybe it is emphasis on education. The reason is why do Muslims and Hindus they have lower standard of living than Christians and Sikhs?
@ Shaasavera re 1st sentence of post 285 - I think Muslims as a whole are less financially secure than Hindus in India. Probably due to some institutionalized discrimination. That is what Humaina may be referring to? The rest of your post I agree with.
If above is incorrect, am open to being corrected.
I agree and say in my latest post there are issues of discrimination just like there is institutionalised discrimination against minorities in other countries but the situation is improving. The article Humaira posts actually shows that Sikhs and Christians have higher standard of living than Hindus and Muslims and they too are smaller minorities. They have higher income as well than the majority Hindus and Muslims.
minorities face prob in each country......but......here i want to say........Indian Muslims......a big minority of a so called secular country......living a LOWEST life standard
aur hadees sharif main hay k 'ghurbat say panah mango k muflasi insan ko KUFR tk lay ja sakti hay'
har minorities ko issue hoti hai aur woh bhi hai. And in this secular country a big majority i.e. Hindus have second lowest standard of living. WHy we should think secular countries should give better living conditions to minorities? ALl countries should be fair for minorities. Malaysia is an Islamic country and it has public holiday for Diwali and other non Muslim festivals. India has public holidays for religious festivals for Sikhs, Hindus and Muslims.
Aur jo maine hadees aap ko diya uss meini yeh bhi likha hai ke apne andar burai dekho aur doosro mein acchai. Le ja sakti hai lekin yeh nahi kaha ke hamesha le jaati hai.
you say sin, I say no sin. Instead of intermediaries deciding let people decide for themselves. Not doing that is what the sin is - when you try to say what is sin you are trying to play god - ok if you are, but very likely that you are only as much God as everyother being is
according to hindustan times, its re-conversion instead of conversion.
The ‘ghar vapsi’ campaigns of the RSS and VHP first came to light on December 8 last when around 150 persons from 57 families allegedly re-converted to Hinduism in Agra. The families denied the re-conversion the very next day.
I think minorities in all countries generally have to face some inequality whether Christians in Pakistan or Muslims in India or African Americans in US. No one is saying there are no issues but the situation is improving. Also the first article says Sikhs have better standard of living than Hindus or Muslims and they are even lower minority. Even Christians and Sikhs have better income than Hindus. Maybe it is emphasis on education. The reason is why do Muslims and Hindus they have lower standard of living than Christians and Sikhs?