roadrunner:kindly differentiate vedism and hinduism

[roadrunner]

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Singh, I'll come back to this later, hopefully when you're asleep so you don't keep on butting in with your replies.

[ssingh]

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Besides, i wont deny some corruptions that might have crept in, hindu(vedic )scriptures.

[roadrunner]

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@ssingh

not necessarily....though upper castes in india do tend to have a fair color. not in all cases.

so you mean to say indra was a non vedic god?

God, someone help. I'm trying to tell you Indra is a VEDIC God, and Krishna is a Dravidian HINDU God.

[ssingh]

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@roadrunner

Good God Singh. Try reading the Rig Veda before you answer. Just above the verse you quote in Book 10, 75, verse 5, it says the INDUS IS THE MAIN RIVER OF THE VEDIC PEOPLE.

"The Rivers have come forward triply, seven and seven. Sindhu in might surpasses all the streams that flow. **2 Varuna cut the channels for thy forward course, O Sindhu, when thou rannest on to win the race." **

The Ganges was of minor importance to the Vedic Aryans, much like the Helmand River was. That is why they are only briefly mentioned in the Rig Veda. The Indus is the main river of the Rig Veda, because the Rig Veda was composed in Pakistan.

and bring your proof from vedas which mention indus being the minor ones?

let's analyze.The first river that is mentioned is Ganga. Indus in nowhere mentioned. it is only its tributaries that are mentioned(that too after ganga). so indus was not of that importance. am i right?...yes i am.

[ssingh]

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@roadrunner

God, someone help. I'm trying to tell you Indra is a VEDIC God, and Krishna is a Dravidian HINDU God.

then why did the composer of vedas also composed mahabharata where krishna is the main character?

[roadrunner]

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@ssingh

Besides, i wont deny some corruptions that might have crept in, hindu(vedic )scriptures.

Hmm, Singleton. Look. I think minor changes have occurred in the Rig Veda where the Brahmins saw the possibilities of changing things in their favour. but to change the Rig Veda from saying the Indus was the main river of the Vedic people, would have meant re-writing the Rig Veda completely, which they could not do. So, basically, I think the Rig Veda is at its base what the Vedic people wrote, but there's minor changes the more recent Brahmins have made.

[roadrunner]

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@ssingh

then why did the composer of vedas also composed mahabharata where krishna is the main character?

Simpleton. The Rig Veda was written by the Vedic Pakistanis in around 1000 BC. The Mahabharata was written by some Dravidians near the Ganges probably, but within the borders of modern day India. They did not have the same authors. Mahabharata has the Vedic Pakistani Gods being killed by the Dravidian Gangetic Gods, more confirmation that the authors are not the same. Besides all that, the timelines of both books are very different.

[ssingh]

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@roadrunner

but to change the Rig Veda from saying the Indus was the main river of the Vedic people, would have meant re-writing the Rig Veda completely, which they could not do.

yes they could not do. and it serves no purpose as to change the importance of a river. Ganges have always played an important role in hinduism/vedism.

[roadrunner]

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@ssingh

and bring your proof from vedas which mention indus being the minor ones?

let's analyze.The first river that is mentioned is Ganga. Indus in nowhere mentioned. it is only its tributaries that are mentioned(that too after ganga). so indus was not of that importance. am i right?...yes i am.

Singhulton, it is mentioned all over the Rig Veda that the Indus is the main river of the Vedic people.

Most active of the active, Sindhu unrestrained, like to a dappled mare, beautiful, fair to see.
Rich in good steeds is Sindhu, rich in cars and robes, rich in gold, nobly-fashioned, rich in ample wealth.
Blest Silamavati and young Urnavati invest themselves with raiment rich in store of sweets.
Sindhu hath yoked her car, light-rolling, drawn by steeds, and with that car shall she win booty in this fight.
So have I praised its power, mighty and unrestrained, of independent glory, roaring as it runs.

[ssingh]

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@roadrunner

Simpleton. The Rig Veda was written by the Vedic Pakistanis in around 1000 BC. The Mahabharata was written by some Dravidians near the Ganges probably, but within the borders of modern day India. They did not have the same authors. Mahabharata has the Vedic Pakistani Gods being killed by the Dravidian Gangetic Gods, more confirmation that the authors are not the same. Besides all that, the timelines of both books are very different.

composer of vedas was veda vyasa and he himself was the composer of mahabharata. PERIOD. you are changing the very facts itself, which would make this whole discussion meaningless.

[ssingh]

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@roadrunner

Singhulton, it is mentioned all over the Rig Veda that the Indus is the main river of the Vedic people.

Most active of the active, Sindhu unrestrained, like to a dappled mare, beautiful, fair to see. Rich in good steeds is Sindhu, rich in cars and robes, rich in gold, nobly-fashioned, rich in ample wealth. Blest Silamavati and young Urnavati invest themselves with raiment rich in store of sweets. Sindhu hath yoked her car, light-rolling, drawn by steeds, and with that car shall she win booty in this fight. So have I praised its power, mighty and unrestrained, of independent glory, roaring as it runs.

it is not mentioned all over the veda. Only in nadisukta. that too only its tributaries. whereas ganga is clearly mentioned

[roadrunner]

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@ssingh

composer of vedas was veda vyasa and he himself was the composer of mahabharata. PERIOD. you are changing the very facts itself, which would make this whole discussion meaningless.

Good grief Simpleton. How can the Rig Veda have the same author as the Mahabhrata when the Rig Veda was written in 1000 BC and the Mahabharata written in 400 BC (I don't want to get into an argument with the dates with you, these are the dates most experts agree for each book). Did a man live for about 600 years in the Ganges are you saying? :D

[ssingh]

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Besides, along with ganga, indus tribataries are also mentioned, then it would only mean that, both of our cultures same. atleast were same.

[ssingh]

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@roadrunner

Good grief Simpleton. How can the Rig Veda have the same author as the Mahabhrata when the Rig Veda was written in 1000 BC and the Mahabharata written in 400 BC (I don't want to get into an argument with the dates with you, these are the dates most experts agree for each book). Did a man live for about 600 years in the Ganges are you saying? :D

you didn't notice my message. it was veda vyasa, who compiled vedas and mahabarata. even though the mantras were composed by different people at different points of time. i said this before. if your argument is true, then why did veda vyasa affiliated to both vedic and hindu scriptures(assuming both are different) composed/ compiled them?

[roadrunner]

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Singh. look at this map. The Vedic civilization existed all over Pakistan, and overlapped slightly into Afghanistan (up till Helmand), and slightly into India (as far as the Western fringe of the Ganges). The Vedic civilization could be described as Pakistani, saying it was Part Punjabi is not incorrect, saying it was part Rajasthani is not incorrect (though these people have become thouroughly Dravidianized in my opinion), but to say it was “Indian” in the modern sense of borders is totally incorrect.

[ssingh]

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@roadrunner

Singh. look at this map. The Vedic civilization existed all over Pakistan, and overlapped slightly into Afghanistan (up till Helmand), and slightly into India (as far as the Western fringe of the Ganges). The Vedic civilization could be described as Pakistani, saying it was Part Punjabi is not incorrect, saying it was part Rajasthani is not incorrect (though these people have become thouroughly Dravidianized in my opinion), but to say it was "Indian" in the modern sense of borders is totally incorrect.

your whole argument is on the basis of a civilization which happened to be located in your place at least majority of them. But hindus in india no longer consider indus or any of it s tributaries as sacred which should actually make you guys happy:D

[ssingh]

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infact i never heard that indus was even sacred at any point:D

[roadrunner]

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@ssingh

you didn't notice my message. it was veda vyasa, who compiled vedas and mahabarata. even though the mantras were composed by different people at different points of time. i said this before. if your argument is true, then why did veda vyasa affiliated to both vedic and hindu scriptures(assuming both are different) composed/ compiled them?

The Vedas Vyasa seems to be some sort of Hindu God, if I'm correct in understanding. He did not write the Veda or the Mahabharata in my opinion. You might believe that. I think the Vedic Aryans wrote the Rig Veda, and the Gangetic Indians wrote the Mahabharata. This explains why the Mahabharata and the Rig Veda are so contradictory and why they have darker God overpowering lighter Gods in the Mahabharata..simply because the Mahabharata was written by some darker skinned fellow.

[roadrunner]

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@ssingh

your whole argument is on the basis of a civilization which happened to be located in your place at least majority of them. But hindus in india no longer consider indus or any of it s tributaries as sacred which should actually make you guys happy:D

Correction. Hindus NEVER considered the Indus as sacred. Only the Vedic people of Pakistan considered it sacred. The proof of this is in your Gangetically derived Mahbharata. Here’s one quote showing that from around 400 BC you did not consider the Indus, or what the Rig Veda said as sacred (arrata-vahik = Pak).

There where the five rivers flow just after issuing from the mountains, there among the Aratta-Vahikas, no respectable person should dwell even for two days

The Mahabharata, Book 8: Karna Parva: Section 44 | Sacred Texts Archive

[ssingh]

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@roadrunner

The Vedas Vyasa seems to be some sort of Hindu God, if I'm correct in understanding. He did not write the Veda or the Mahabharata in my opinion. You might believe that. I think the Vedic Aryans wrote the Rig Veda, and the Gangetic Indians wrote the Mahabharata. This explains why the Mahabharata and the Rig Veda are so contradictory and why they have darker God overpowering lighter Gods in the Mahabharata..simply because the Mahabharata was written by some darker skinned fellow.

i have never seen anyone worshipping him. and both were composed/compiled by veda vyasa.
Besides, why do vedic aryans mention ganga and yamuna in rig veda(assuming it was composed by them), that too first?