Yes it is.
Similarly Indian Punjabis committed a true genocide that not a single Muslim-village survived the 1947 holocaust.
Israel on the other hand does have millions of citizens of Palestinian decent. Pakistanis do need to look at their home first.
Yes it is.
Similarly Indian Punjabis committed a true genocide that not a single Muslim-village survived the 1947 holocaust.
Israel on the other hand does have millions of citizens of Palestinian decent. Pakistanis do need to look at their home first.
Last edited by Iconoclast; Jan 5th, 2009 at 03:52 PM.. Reason: Wild, baseless, ethnic accusations
Icono! I beg to differ with your edit here. Care to prove why the ethnic cleansing of Hindus and Sikhs from west Punjab is "Wild, baseless, ethnic accusation"?
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^ Talk about bias and hypocrisy. He edited the part about Muslims killing Hindus/Sikhs but kept the one about Indian Punjabis killing Muslims.
Weren't mods supposed to be unbiased ?? Doesn't "wild, baseless, ethnic accusations" apply to both ??
^ Talk about bias and hypocrisy. He edited the part about Muslims killing Hindus/Sikhs but kept the one about Indian Punjabis killing Muslims.
Weren't mods supposed to be unbiased ?? Doesn't "wild, baseless, ethnic accusations" apply to both ??
We ought to be fair in the analysis. That's all.
Muslim-Punjabis were 60% in East Punjab. Now they are zero%
Hindu and Sikh Punjabis combined were 40% of Punjab, and now they are down to zero% in Pak-Punjab.
This is the clear case of genocide nay holocaust. And yet Pak and Indian Punjabis want to burry our heads in the sand.
Similarly we ignore the sins of our favorite actor in other regions of the world too.
It is so hard for some guppies to accept that Palestinians cross the line too.
Last edited by Iconoclast; Jan 5th, 2009 at 03:52 PM.. Reason: Wild, baseless, ethnic accusations
Icono! I beg to differ with your edit here. Care to prove why the ethnic cleansing of Hindus and Sikhs from west Punjab is "Wild, baseless, ethnic accusation"?
Since you have made the statement burden of proof is upon you. If you prove that ethnic cleansing happened, we shall put back your commens. And then i don't know why you selected riots in Pujab solely. Muslims in UP saw extreme violence and killing.
^ Talk about bias and hypocrisy. He edited the part about Muslims killing Hindus/Sikhs but kept the one about Indian Punjabis killing Muslims.
Weren't mods supposed to be unbiased ?? Doesn't "wild, baseless, ethnic accusations" apply to both ??
Indeed it applies to both. Part of my family comes from eastern Punjab and i have read books and heard from people how the violence was unleashed upon them. There are still muslim women living in Sikh houses in eastern Punjab. None of such things happened in western Punjab. If you have arguments to the contrary plz share.
Re: Riots in Punjab in 1947
Okay discuss it separately.
Indeed it applies to both. Part of my family comes from eastern Punjab and i have read books and heard from people how the violence was unleashed upon them. There are still muslim women living in Sikh houses in eastern Punjab. None of such things happened in western Punjab. If you have arguments to the contrary plz share.
If it applies to both, then you should also have edited "Similarly Indian Punjabis committed a true genocide that not a single Muslim-village survived the 1947 holocaust" from his statement.
Just editing the part where he talked about Muslims killing Hindus and leaving the part about Hindus killing Muslims is bias.
My family came from West Punjab (Lahore) and I have heard and read exactly the opposite of what you have i.e. Muslims unleashed violence on Hindus and Sikhs in West Punjab. The reality probably is that both sides were guilty of violence and so either you leave both statements in there or edit both out.
Is there any historical documentation on this with figures of how many were killed, raped and uprooted from their homes? Do people from both sides still have their deeds to their historical properties?
If it applies to both, then you should also have edited "Similarly Indian Punjabis committed a true genocide that not a single Muslim-village survived the 1947 holocaust" from his statement.
Just editing the part where he talked about Muslims killing Hindus and leaving the part about Hindus killing Muslims is bias.
My family came from West Punjab (Lahore) and I have heard and read exactly the opposite of what you have i.e. Muslims unleashed violence on Hindus and Sikhs in West Punjab. The reality probably is that both sides were guilty of violence and so either you leave both statements in there or edit both out.
You may have "heard" it, 8 male members of my family were killed in 1947 riots in Amritsar. Villages after vilages were ransacked. Noen o fthis happened in west Punjab.
Thats not factually correct.
Plight of Women during partition riots in 1947
Lord Mountbatten, the last Viceroy of India, aftcr visiting district Rawalpindi reported to the British Government in England, “The whole of the Hindu-Sikh part is an absolute wreck, as though it has been subjected to an air raid.” Several Hindu and Sikh villages were wiped out.
“A large number of people were forcibly converted, children were kidnapped, and young women abducted and openly raped.”
If your yardstick for fact and fiction is whether you were personally affected by it, lets openly spell it out and move on…
You may have "heard" it, 8 male members of my family were killed in 1947 riots in Amritsar. Villages after vilages were ransacked. Noen o fthis happened in west Punjab.
You are being very biased here. DId you live during those times. If not then you also heard about it. Didnt you ?
You either remove this thread or put in the original quotes from the thread starter.
Re: Riots in Punjab in 1947
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Punjabee
You stole the words out of my mouth. Why do some Pakistanis find it so hard to accept the Jewish desire for a homeland, when their own country was created on a desire to have a "muslim nation" ? To me, this stinks of hypocrisy.
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you don't have to ridicule you intelligence to carry out a political discussion!!!
We lived there, like kashmirs in kashmir. So pakistan was alway ours!!!!!!!!
Now jew were brought from all over the world and land was stolen from Muslims.
Not too hard to comprehend, is it????**
Re: Riots in Punjab in 1947
^ Since you seem to love history, dig a bit farther and you will realize that everyone who lived on that land was orginally Hindu. When the Muslim invaders came, the Hindus were either forced to convert OR the women were raped and you know the rest...
Not too hard to comprehend, is it ??
^ Since you seem to love history, dig a bit farther and you will realize that everyone who lived on that land was orginally Hindu.
Nah, they were mostly Buddhist or Hellenistic pagans. And Muslim invaders in general never forcibly converted anybody. They needed non-Muslims to remain non-Muslims so they would pay their jizya.
And Muslim invaders in general never forcibly converted anybody. They needed non-Muslims to remain non-Muslims so they would pay their jizya.
And non-Muslims were forced to convert to avoid paying jizya.
And a sikh history site (who were main perpetrators of violence in 1947) shud supposedly be beleived without a question.
I would like to see the “source” of author’s statement about Mount Batten.
Re: Riots in Punjab in 1947
^ My point in quoting the Sikh history site is to show you that there are different points of view abouut the partition violence and for for someone who has not lived through it everything is just hearsay. So you either edit everything or leave everything untouched.
But as I said in my last post too - If an event is fact for YOU only if YOU were personally affected by it, lets accept that and move on...
^ Since you seem to love history, dig a bit farther and you will realize that everyone who lived on that land was orginally Hindu. When the Muslim invaders came, the Hindus were either forced to convert OR the women were raped and you know the rest...
Not too hard to comprehend, is it ??
Large population converted on their own as well, lets not discount that factor. Does that make them any less inhabitants of the land?
^ Since you seem to love history, dig a bit farther and you will realize that everyone who lived on that land was orginally Hindu. When the Muslim invaders came, the Hindus were either forced to convert OR the women were raped and you know the rest...
Not too hard to comprehend, is it ??
so who was converted forcefully ?????
My forefathers right ??????
What is you problem ?????????? I ,as a forcefully converted person, still am the owner of that indian land which was later declared as pakistan
Wont you say so ??