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Can we have some concrete information like X universities opened, X hospitals opened, X flyovers built, X power plants built, rather than vague wishy washy list.
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And you have the audacity to call legal Afghan refugees who are either supported by the UN are hard working and industrious people as illegals and criminals.
Let me remind you the discussion was about performance of KP vs Punjab in terms of development, now people are people irrespective of what label you put on them. You have tried to justify the failure of KP government due to a small criminal element in the population. This criminal element is found in every other state.
You keep digging.
No you can simply cannot read and with each post you are making yourself look like a total fool. Instead of writing this yet another idiotic post, you could've just read my response where the point was made in counter your shameless and bigoted remark about people of KPK where you termed them as burden on your Nawas Sharif's Punjab. Honestly who are you trying to fool her with your hypocrisy, your post is there for everyone to see. First calling people of KPK as burden on Punjab and now shedding crocodile tears about Afghans? How pathetic.
Didn't you also imply people of KPK are also criminals, refugees and immigrants? Exactly, you yourself have no idea what the hell are talking about and I have zero interest in taking your word on my post. I know what I'd said and how I said it.
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Read the report published by KPK police department last month or so.
Btw, what's your opinion on coal vs hydroelectricity?
Good steps (without reading it) but there is need to do a lot more, from Imran Khan I had expected a radical reform agenda and timely execution. However PTI has not so far proven itself up to the task and needs to focus on that more rather than trying to accumulate more power.
Coal and hydelpower are both important. I favour coal more, due to faster commissioning and it creates work for thousands of miners. Hydro is good, buts its major advantage is that it acts as a water reservoir, but cost is huge and it takes a long time to set it up, unless you set up small projects, but then you need a lot of them scattered throughout Pakistan.
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Can we have some concrete information like X universities opened, X hospitals opened, X flyovers built, X power plants built, rather than vague wishy washy list.
Since it's you who keep polluting every thread with how badly KPK have failed and Nawas League a complete success in Punjab (clearly Nawas League and their supporters only view themselves as caretakers of Punjab, and not Pakistan). How about you actually show the miracles performed by Nawas League in last 14 months.
It's not like you have given any figures of many power plants are actually built by NS.
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Concrete information is being asked by you lulz](http://www.paklinks.com/gs/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=lulz)
How about you post some concrete information on what has Showbaz done in the Education sector for Punjab
Meanwhile please take a look at this video before commenting
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Good steps (without reading it) but there is need to do a lot more, from Imran Khan I had expected a radical reform agenda and timely execution. However PTI has not so far proven itself up to the task and needs to focus on that more rather than trying to accumulate more power.
Coal and hydelpower are both important. I favour coal more, due to faster commissioning and it creates work for thousands of miners. Hydro is good, buts its major advantage is that it acts as a water reservoir, but cost is huge and it takes a long time to set it up, unless you set up small projects, but then you need a lot of them scattered throughout Pakistan.
Haha. I personally favour coal because Nawas Sharif blindly favours it? lol
You are clearly not a science person either? What about the environment damage? It's quicker to install, but is it cheaper? And what's wrong with energy projects being scattered all over the country? Or are you of that opinion that all energy plants must be built in Nawas Sharif's Punjab?
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hydel power comes at a huge environmental cost too, “science person”.. 
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It's comparatively less.
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No you can simply cannot read and with each post you are making yourself look like a total fool. Instead of writing this yet another idiotic post, you could've just read my response where the point was made in counter your shameless and bigoted remark about people of KPK where you termed them as burden on your Nawas Sharif's Punjab. Honestly who are you trying to fool her with your hypocrisy, your post is there for everyone to see. First calling people of KPK as burden on Punjab and now shedding crocodile tears about Afghans? How pathetic.
Didn't you also imply people of KPK are also criminals, refugees and immigrants? Exactly, you yourself have no idea what the hell are talking about and I have zero interest in taking your word on my post. I know what I'd said and how I said it.
Let me make this as simple as possible for you as you are going around in circles, either to have difficulty comprehending or you do not have an answer and want to sidetrack the subject.
We are having a discussion about the performance of KP and Punjab.
You tried to justify the failure of KP by blaming some immigrants (extra people from outside the province). WE ARE TALKING ABOUT PROVINCES HERE NOT COUNTRIES KP VS PUNJAB so don't forget the context.
You accused these immigrants of being criminals.
In response I stated that although some people may have settled in KP an equal or higher number of inhabitants have moved from KP to other provinces therefore your excuse of blaming the immigrants for the failure of KP government is not valid. To address your concern about criminality I stated that MQM also accused "immigrants" into the province or internal migrants as you may call them for criminality, but that cannot be used as an excuse not to carry out development in the province. MQM also accuses the extra people moving to Karachi as a burden on the infrastructure of the city. So you have to do better than that. You cannot use the "afghans" as an excuse for the failure of PTI government in KP. I further stated that most of these Afghans are hard working and industrious people and they have been here for a long time, their children and grandchildren are born in Pakistan and I consider them to be Pakistani. Therefore there is no difference in my view if someone moves to KP or someone moves to Islamabad or Quetta or Karachi. Relatively there has been more internal migration to Punjab and Sindh than to KP.
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Since it's you who keep polluting every thread with how badly KPK have failed and Nawas League a complete success in Punjab (clearly Nawas League and their supporters only view themselves as caretakers of Punjab, and not Pakistan). How about you actually show the miracles performed by Nawas League in last 14 months.
It's not like you have given any figures of many power plants are actually built by NS.
I have given you a few as an appetiser and can give you more but you have failed to give me a single one, so its pointless me wasting my waste giving you info when it appears PTI has done nothing in KP.
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Haha. I personally favour coal because Nawas Sharif blindly favours it? lol
You are clearly not a science person either? What about the environment damage? It's quicker to install, but is it cheaper? And what's wrong with energy projects being scattered all over the country? Or are you of that opinion that all energy plants must be built in Nawas Sharif's Punjab?
You are denser than I thought. That perhaps explains why you believe in blind following the blind.
Nawaz Sharif has committed himself to Bhasha and Dasu dams, plus Bunji perhaps later. These projects will equal all the electricity produced by coal. So Nawaz Sharif has not "favoured" coal.
Coal will be cheaper than thermal, and Pakistan does not have any coal power plants when it makes up a sizeable share in many other countries like China, UK, US, India. So we have to make a start rather than importing expensive furness oil. The demand for electricity will grow exponentially in the future, so all options need to be considered.
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I have given you a few as an appetiser and can give you more **but you have failed to give me a single one, **so its pointless me wasting my waste giving you info when it appears PTI has done nothing in KP.
Are really that stupid and dumb or you are just cannot get enough of lying? Unbelievable
I have provided you with two links of confirming hydro plant projects in KPK (to counter Nawas League's coal project) and you have the gall to say I haven't given you a "single example". How pathetic.
You are blinded by hatred and crippled by incomprehension that even if I publish a full thesis stating PTI's work, you still be crying about PTI's "failure" of 14 months and going gaga over Nawas League's more than three decades of "miracles2 in Punjab.
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Let me make this as simple as possible for you as you are going around in circles, either to have difficulty comprehending or you do not have an answer and want to sidetrack the subject.
We are having a discussion about the performance of KP and Punjab. You tried to justify the failure of KP by blaming some immigrants (extra people from outside the province). WE ARE TALKING ABOUT PROVINCES HERE NOT COUNTRIES KP VS PUNJAB so don't forget the context. You accused these immigrants of being criminals.
In response I stated that although some people may have settled in KP and equal or higher number of inhabitants have moved from KP to other provinces therefore your excuse of blaming the immigrants for the failure of KP government is not valid. To address your concern about criminality I stated that MQM also accused "immigrants" into the province or internal migrants as you may call them for criminality, but that cannot be used as an excuse not to carry out development in the province. MQM also accuses the extra people moving to Karachi as a burden on the infrastructure of the city. So you have to do better than that. You cannot use the "afghans" as an excuse for the failure of PTI government in KP. I further stated that most of these Afghans are hard working and industrious people and they have been here for a long time, their children and grandchildren are born in Pakistan and I consider them to be Pakistani. Therefore there is no difference in my view if someone moves to KP or someone moves to Islamabad or Quetta or Karachi. Relatively there has been more internal migration to Punjab and Sindh than to KP.
I stopped reading there and I'm honestly not going to bother with rest of your post.
If you want to stop going round in circle then get this straight!
I did not justify PTI "failure" by blaming Afghan refugees, I replied to your MQM style remark, you are clearly being blatantly dishonest and a hypocrite by even admitting in post number 39, you were the first one to called people of KPK as burden on Punjab (now don't go back and edit that post or come back and claim that you can't flippin read your own rubbish). So did you or did you not call people of KPK burden on Punjab?
Stop being a hypocrite. If you have no problem calling people of KPK burden on Punjab, then quit your dramebaazy of shedding crocodile tears for Afghans refugees.
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Are really that stupid and dumb or you are just cannot get enough of lying? Unbelievable
I have provided you with two links of confirming hydro plant projects in KPK (to counter Nawas League's counter project) and you have the gall to say I haven't given you a "single example". How pathetic.
You are blinded by hatred and crippled by incomprehension that even if I publish a full thesis stating PTI's work, you still be crying about PTI's "failure" of 14 months and going gaga over Nawas League's more than three decades of "miracles2 in Punjab.
No need to rude. I have given you the pull text of the news and you state that you have given me links which I have not noticed in my eagerness to reply. If you had posted the content in your your post it would have been easier for me.
Just looked through your Mega city link and it is all on paper. They have not even been able to complete Regi project that was mainly completed before they took over so at current speed I see no chance of completion of Mega Cities in the next 4 years.
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I stopped reading there and I'm honestly not going to bother with rest of your post.
If you want to stop going round in circle then get this straight!
I did not justify PTI "failure" by blaming Afghan refugees, I replied to your MQM style remark, you are clearly being blatantly dishonest and a hypocrite by even admitting in post number 39, you were the first one to called people of KPK as burden on Punjab (now don't go back and edit that post or come back and claim that you can't flippin read your own rubbish). So did you or did you not call people of KPK burden on Punjab?
Stop being a hypocrite. If you have no problem calling people of KPK burden on Punjab, then quit your dramebaazy of shedding crocodile tears for Afghans refugees.
Migrants are a burden on infrastructure, i.e schools, roads, hospitals, housing. The government needs to work harder to create extra infrastructure, than it would have done otherwise. In the context that I stated it in, I stand by that.
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Migrants are a burden on infrastructure, i.e schools, roads, hospitals, housing. In the context that I stated it in, I stand by that.
You also stand by hypocrisy when same point is made in relations to KPK?
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You also stand by hypocrisy when same point is made in relations to KPK?
The migrants that you are talking about i.e "Afghans" have been living there for around 35 years. They didn't just arrive or arrived even in the last decade.
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The migrants that you are talking about i.e "Afghans" have been living there for around 35 years. They didn't just arrive or arrived even in the last decade.
Prove it that I was talking about migrants living there for 35 years (who presumably have their paperwork) and not the ones that arrived due to recent war (and don't have the paperwork hence classified illegal)?
Exactly. Stop imaging stuff and just read the posts carefully next time.
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Prove it that I was talking about migrants living there for 35 years (who presumably have their paperwork) and not the ones that arrived due to recent war (and don't have the paperwork hence classified illegal)?
Exactly. Stop imaging stuff and just read the posts carefully next time.
You talk about Afghans and recent war. Well the "recent" war was started in 2001, and it seems you forgot what I told you earlier than instead of people moving out of Afghanistan, more people returned to Afghanistan due to US presence particularly in places like Kabul to claim their old properties and for better business opportunities.
Tried to find your links again (had a quick glance) but even the mega city link seems to have been sent by Waleed. Can you resend the links or better still post the contents here.
You talk about Afghans and recent war. Well the “recent” war was started in 2001, and it seems you forgot what I told you earlier than instead of people moving out of Afghanistan, more people returned to Afghanistan due to US presence particularly in places like Kabul to claim their old properties and for better business opportunities.
Tried to find your links again (had a quick glance) but even the mega city link seems to have been sent by Waleed. Can you resend the links or better still post the contents here.
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I just went back and checked, my links are still there. Go look harder.
I’ll come back to your earlier point later.