Reverse brain drain !!

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So now Americans are moving from America to India in search of jobs . Its all about better job opportunities and sense of excitement that you can create to attract talent . India for sure is successful achieving that to some extent .

Pakistan’s IT industry is still not that mature yet that we can compete with India , but our government ( yea same dumboz ) really need to think over it . But as most of the other things , we’ll be only fools to relay on the government . What you think private sector can do ? How they can make sure that investments are secure and a nice working environment for the talent ? Lets suppose you are Bill Gates , will you invest in Pakistan ? and if Yes then under what circumstances ?

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india is an outsourcing country. outsourcing is like cheap labour, low quality labour. if you have ever worked with them you would know. India is just living in hot air which is going to burst sooner or later.

Really big problem for Americans is China. those people are not stupid.

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Sorry to burst your bubble, but India is also a hub for outsourcing high quality tech work.

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yeah if that helps you sleep at night.

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India got some talent so does Pakistan , India needs to export that talent , Pakistan needs to use it for domestic market.

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jhooom, your obvious dislike for India or Indians is very visible in each and every post of yours accross the forum :smack: Perhaps a little sensibility may help relieve your constant heartburn, but for years Americans have been outsourcing to India because they are receiving fairly good quality work at a low cost. Do you know how many Indian IT folks come in every year on work visas? Pakistanis do as well. It’s a well known fact that both countries have tehnically skilled professionals. And yes, many Indians have returned to India due to job opportunities and are doing quite well. If you don’t want to accept it, it will not change the facts. Try not to make this an online battle at every chance you get.

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For last 15 years I have been seeing this outsourcing happening but this bubble is still going on strong. I do not know where your head is but accepting ground reality would be very helpful for your health.
P.S. I am not an Indian , I am a proud patriotic Pakistani , who is also voice of reason.

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How about reverse brain drain to China! Despite the hindrance of their govt’s socialist policies, its on the rise as well.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gc-MBYUOhK10gAp44eJfhAcCkB6QD9IE3R1O0
China steps up efforts to reverse ‘Brain Drain’
By SAIYU LIANG (AP) – 4 days ago
TOKYO — Having worked for two years at a tech company in Japan and picking up the language, Qiu Zhaohua has decided to return to China, lured by a job in the eastern tech hub of Dalian that pays as much 200,000 yuan a year, or about $29,000 — a handsome starting salary by China’s standards.
Chinese media have dubbed returnees like Qiu as “sea turtles” — Chinese-born graduates of top global universities and veterans of major companies that Beijing is eager to lure back as it tries to move its huge but poor economy beyond low-skill manufacturing.
Hoping to reverse a “brain drain,” the government and companies are scouring the globe for talent. Job fairs like the one Qiu attended — at the posh Prince Hotel in central Tokyo — are one of their tools, with dozens being organized around the world.
“My Japanese ability and the work experience qualify me for the position of manager,” said Qiu, 27.
Thousands of Chinese go abroad every year to study science, engineering and other fields and many never return home — not because they want to emigrate but because their still-developing economy lacks jobs to match their advanced skills. Of the 1.4 million Chinese students who received student visas to go abroad since 1979, only 390,000 have returned — just over a quarter, according to China’s statistics bureau.
Beijing is keen to build up industries like telecommunications, computers, clean energy, automobile manufacturing, biotechnology and pharmaceuticals. It needs researchers and managers with experience and foreign-learned know-how.
One of the most famous “sea turtles” is Shi Zhengrong, the Chinese-born Australian founder of Suntech Power Holdings Ltd., which has grown into one of the world’s biggest producers of solar cells. Shi emigrated to Australia and had no plans to return to China until city leaders in Wuxi, west of Shanghai, invited him to start a company there in 2001, along with financial backing of $6 million.
“Companies are unavoidably getting drawn into the flow of globalization,” said Wang Huiyao, director of the Center for China and Globalization, based in Beijing. “Hiring internationalized personnel at high cost is the fastest way they can catch up.”
In late 2008, the Chinese government launched what it called the “thousand talents program” to bring 2,000 such top-notch hires home in the next five to 10 years.
To compete with high-paying jobs in the U.S., Japan and elsewhere, Chinese companies and universities know they have to offer appealing packages.
“We have enough money and plenty of programs. The only thing we don’t have is the talent,” said Lu Iin, director of the tax free area of Dalian.
Previous generations of Chinese who left for the United States, Europe or Australia were driven by war or poverty and stayed, creating large ethnic Chinese communities.
More recent “sea turtles” are members of China’s intellectual and professional elite and planned only a temporary stay abroad. They left for better job prospects but are ready to return now that China can make them a better offer.
Huang Guan, who has nearly finished a PhD in political science from Japan’s prestigious Waseda University, agreed to a $52,000 a year teaching position at Shanghai Finance University — far higher than the average university professor salary.
He’s also getting allowances for housing, research and moving back to China.
“I was persuaded by the offer,” Guan said. “I’ve decided go to back home.”
At another recent Tokyo job fair organized by the eastern province of Zhejiang which bristles with industry, several hundred young job seekers visited stalls for more than 30 companies and universities, some b*****shing banners declaring “Welcome Home Package.”
One of them, Alibaba Corp., which operates China’s biggest shopping Web site, Taobao.com, was offering $100,000 a year for a job in electronic information — an eye-poppingly large sum in a society where the average income per person was $3,600 last year. The company said that was more than it offers graduates of Chinese universities.
Still, China faces tough competition from foreign employers who offer better pay and chances for advancement.
Zhan Shuwen, who also attended Waseda University, accepted a job with Japanese cosmetics maker Shiseido Co.
“I admit the invitation from China is alluring, but I want to do my best in Japan for my future happiness, although it may take dozens of years,” she said. “Also, my experience in Japan will be valued.”
Sunyard Corp., a software company, that had set up a booth at the job fair, was looking to make just one key hire: a marketing manager.
“The students are all excellent, but what we need is the all-rounder,” said Ge Xingru, a company official. “I am not saying they are not perfect, but the right person is hard to find.”
While job fairs have brought some success, Wang says Chinese companies need to use headhunters more to target the best employees amid increasing competition for talent.
“The effectiveness of these overseas recruiting fairs has its limits. Involving headhunters is a must,” he said. “There are piles of students seeking job opportunities overseas.”
AP Business Writer Joe McDonald in Beijing contributed to this article.

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i never deny india's booming outsourcing.

i deal with indians all day. most probably more than any of you guys here.

its the quality of the indian outsourcing i am talking about :)

I am not alone in this. google about this you will find more examples.

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No we don't need to google brother jhooom. We believe you. :)

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Good.Let all of them come back.It will easy for me to get that stamp on my passport . :D

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LOL.. it's tech work, but not high quality. Still, in my job it's cheaper for me to pay a team of Indians to do a job, who screw it up 3 times and then finally redo it the proper way, than it would be to hire an American who could do it right the first time round.

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^ sorry but that is just plain stupid.

Its not like the rest of us don't work with Indians/Pakistanis and Americans.

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also remember that the huge part of that outsourcing is call center work :)
and many companies seem to hand over maintenance work to outsourcing companies, be it in india or hungary.

@BarbieCue attending day care is not work

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this is exactly that those guys said to me just last week.
we will just do it now, and then redo it again next week.

I was stunned :)

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Sadkay jaun, tid mein jo peer horahi thi wo khatam hogai ye kehne k baad?

And I stand by what I already said.... categorising people's intellect based on their country of origin is plain stupid.

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well if i said that then i didn't mean it like that.

outsourcing is dumb work.

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oh right.. dumb work.. as opposed to the nobel prize winners you are churning out in pakistan these days.. i'd say most pakistanis would be happy to work in a call center if the pay was right, much like it is for indians.

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cheetah hai cheetah

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  • Outsourcing is a wise business plan and people making hell lot of money out of it .
  • Quality of work (mostly programming part of it) is not super good . But then that is what happen in factories with mass production . Quality goes down .
  • Software houses in Pakistan are little bit well managed only because they are small , but trust me talent wise we are not good at all . The next breed of engineers we are producing in Pakistan are way below standards .
  • Mostly engineers that really are talented go abroad for higher education and usually doesn't come back . Brain drain is at its peak .