Return of Hazrat Isa A.S.

[psyah]

Re: Return of Hazrat Isa A.S.

@kchughtai

5:117) … And I was a witness over them as long as I remained among them, but since Thou didst cause me to die, Thou hast been the Watcher over them; and Thou art Witness over all things.

The underlined part corresponds to ‘FALAMA TAWAFFAITANI’
Two parts of the verse I was referring to are
Part1 - Red
Part2 - Green

Is it clearer now?

@kchughtai

I answered that earlier. did you read my answer to your logic.
I was responsible when I was among them but when you took me in full, only you were watcher over them.
It is so clear. ‘I was a witness over them whist I was among them’ is clearly happened before ‘Tawaffe’. How can it pertain to two eras is simply beyond me.

I request you to watch first 20 mins of the video I posted. I hope things will be clearer

Peace kchughtai

I watched the video for the first 11 mins and nothing new is being said that you have not already said … the verse to me does not restrict stages of his life to being on the Earth and then death … the verse i.e. the Arabic words do not prevent the understanding that first and second coming are both encapsulated in the first part of him (AS) bearing witness to the fact that he (AS) preached no wrong. To say that it is … is wishful thinking …

To say “And then when” indicates some sort of chronology but the translations are all either “and when” or “but when” … for the word falamma …

and you have the “but when” in your post above as well … true enough in the times between the two comings and after his death will be applicable to the underlined and green parts … and the two phases of his life (AS) are in the red … there is nothing concrete you have against the orthodoxy of Islam … Why you are dwelling on this anyway is beyond me?

We either believe in the second coming or not … there are plenty of hadith that reached us at the same time as these verses regarding descent … it is our responsibility to reconcile them with the holy Qur’an. It is not suitable for us to ignore them. Since the Qur’an does not conflict with them then we should accept them … we have the chain of authentic scholarly teachings there may be some stray opinions, but the reason why the ummah believes that Isa (AS) will come again is because this was the belief of the early Muslims.