Return of Hazrat Isa A.S.

[Mr.Popat]

Re: Return of Hazrat Isa A.S.

@psyah

Peace Mr Popat

Yes … Musa (AS) is alive like all the prophets (AS) …** the difference between all the prophets except Isa (AS) is that they have tasted death and he Isa (AS) has not … **

Do not view death as if it is a permanent state … those humans who die their souls move into barzakh, yet they are said to be localised in the vicinity of the grave, while their bodies remain on the Earth and become part of the Earth in time, the bodies of prophets do not however decay. Also, when it comes to the mi’raj although we believe it took place - it however was not a time bound event and cannot be presented in a chronology. The event was one where this reality was made to coincide with another. The proof of this is that Muhammad (SAW) saw a future event actually happening before him … which was the scenes of hellfire …

The mi’raj cannot be used as a basis for arguing the state of being of prophets since the whole journey betrays the normal laws that we experience today. Based on our normality Isa (AS) has been taken and will return at a later point in time. It is a theory that I have that since all of the prophets had talked about Muhammad (SAW) and that he would come … as it is written in the respective scriptures also at some point they have an experience … to us it appears that though all the events took place throughout history, however I believe there was convergence at the point of the Isra where Muhammad (SAW) led the jammat of all the prophets - to my understanding in a phase which was abstract of our chronology - so all the prophets were there while they were alive and after the event returned to their own times.

Mi’raaj took place, theres no doubt in that. The question I asked is relevant to the topic of Isa(AS). You say that all have tasted death but Isa(AS) has not is not making sense to me. I showed you the hadith where Muhammad pbuh has talked to Moses(AS). Keep in mind however, that in the same journey, Muhammad PBUH have seen Hazrat Yahya, Hazrat noah(as), Moses and along with all of them seen Jesus(AS) too.

I’m not sure if you’re taking the event of miraaj as if Muhammad pbuh have gone to barzakh. He(SAW) actually went to heavens. How is it possible that every other prophet you say died and were present there at the time of miraaj, and there was jesus (AS) too. If he(AS) was alive, he shouldnt have been there. Moses(AS) spoke to Muhammad PBUH, why do you not consider him as physically alive?

Muhammad PBUH spoke to Moses >> you say He(AS) tasted death.. and still was able to talk to Muhammad PBUH
Muhammad PBUH saw Jesus (AS) >> he was there amongst all the dead prophets (physically), though, there spirits were there, but Jesus was there physically amongst all the spirits ?

Am I missing something?

Meraaj journey was not physical ( im not getting into that ) , because when kuffars asked muhammad pbuh to provide them a book from heavens , his reply was that im nothing but just a human being like you. Allah revealed the book to Him, He(saw) did not go to heavens to get it. Miraaj does not betray the normal laws that we experience. It was all spiritual.[53:12]** “****The heart of the Prophet was not untrue to that which he saw”. Seeing of a heart is different than seeing with eyes itself.May ahadith i can provide in this as well. Heaven is not a physical place, nor is Allah located in one specific direction. Allah says in Quran : [6:104] “Eyes cannot reach Him but He reaches the eyes. And He is the Incomprehensible, the All-Aware.”
It is He who reaches to you, you do not reach him , when you are alive. BUt, then again, im not gettin into that debate.

My question is pretty simple to understand. If you believe Muhammad PBUH spoke to Moses(AS) various times at the time or miraaj, how was the conversation took place? was it Moses(as)'s physical body that he spoke to or was it His spirit? Keep in mind, Muhammad PBUH went to heavens and not barzakh. If Muhammad PBUH was present physically there ( as you believe ), then Moses must have been to.

This was the verse, which we talked about long time ago.

[3:145] And Muhammad is only a Messenger. Verily, all Messengers have passed away before him. If then he die or be slain, will you turn back on your heels? And he who turns back on his heels shall not harm Allah at all. And Allah will certainly reward the grateful

You said, instead of “all” it meant “many”. So, by this definition, and keepin my question above in mind, What is your belief on Mosa(AS). Dead or alive ?