Return of Hazrat Isa A.S.

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Re: Return of Hazrat Isa A.S.

@psyah

The context is obtained from the whole section if you read a few ayahs back then you will see that it is far more important to believe he was a prophet, not God and not a falsifier … which is the more crucial point than whether he died or not.

If the tense is future then he (AS) was not killed and has not died that is simple logic …

your reasons for contradictions are not based on soundness either:

3:55 - those who reject faith will be anyone who disbelieves … also even if it was for Jews - what is wrong for Jews to be around until the Day of Judgement? Is there a reason that you have to infer Jews will not be around on the Day of Judgement?

For the other point I have already answered that … Verse 4:159 when it states " illalayu/minanna bihi qabla mawtihi" - the term illala means “but must” - it does not mean “but will” …

“Must” means that they should be doing so, but “will” means that it will be happening … besides why should Jesus (AS) be a witness AGAINST those who believe in him/it ? No rather he will be a witness against those who knew they had to believe in him, but failed to do so - hence the meaning of “must” is applicable not “will” …

Also in this verse in the Arabic it speaks of the people in the collective … why do you assume that there is a switch of tenses from collective to singular and then back to collective again? Especially when another individual is being spoken about? It is not the case … the singulars in this verse refer to Jesus (AS) …

Ahl-ul-Kitab is in jarr due to the min harf … making it ahl-il-kitab … This is jamma therefore the term is mo’annis (feminine) and the muzare is flanked with a laam … denoting future definite.

Illa can also mean “except” so another translation which agrees with the original is …

And none from the people of the Book will (get by) on Judgement Day without being testified against by him … except those who will and have believed in him (as a true prophet)

• because it would be meaningless to testify against a people who already have a firm belief about who he was yet were still confused about his disappearance. It would only be those who think he was dead for the wrong reasons who he will testify against. Those who knew him to be alive or those who thought him to have been killed yet have coherent beliefs about him will not be among those who he testifies against.

certainly, believing in prophets send by Allah is important and jews wereunder the wrath of Allah since they killed/or tried to kill prophets, rejectedtheir truth and so and so forth. The jews , in general rejected Jesus(as) withsome exceptions. They level serious allegation against the mother of theprophet and tried to kill him. Your saying that ‘whether he died or not is notcrucial’ is quite strange. Everyone dies. Same is the case with prophets. Butthe point here is not mere death but the attempt by the Jews to give anaccursed death to the claimant of prophethood. I made a mistake in writing thetranslation of the verse 4:159 so here is goes again
“And there is none among thePeople of the Book but will (continue to) believe in it (the common belief ofJesus killed at the hands of the jews) before his (pertains to each person ofpeople of the book) death; and on the Day of Resurrection, he (Jesus) shall bea witness against them”
People of the book believe in andcontinue in it till their end comes and after their death, on the judgment dayreality will become evident to them. They are indeed bound to believe in thesupposed crucifixion of jesus (as). If Jews do not do so, truth of Jesus (as)becomes established and their whole position becomes indefensible. if Christians do not believe in it, the towerof Christianity that is founded on the death of Jesus on cross, crashes. Jesus (as) will not come to this world againto tell them about their false beliefs but he would be a witness over them inthe hereafter.

No my friend, it not that simplelogic to prove that Jesus(as) is still alive. There are many verses in the holy Quran that talks about death of Jesusdirectly or indirectly and this is the only verse where the proponents ofliving jesus (as) can get some leverage because of use of third person i.e., (Mautihi)his death and on it/him (Bihi) etc. I will summarize the verses on this issuesoon in my next posts.

Jesus (as) was sentto bani Israel as per Quran so those who disbelieve are disbelievers amongjews.

I am not that well versed in Arabicbut here are a few things for you:

1. Theattempt to make the (Arabic) words (will believe in it before his death) mean"will believe in him (Jesus) before his (Jesus) death" is simplyridiculous. The context spurns the idea, as does the second reading of theexpression (his death) viz. (their death) reported by Ubayy (Jarir vi 13)
   

2. ‘Noneof the people of the book’ may take singular pronoun since none -> ‘not oneof them’
   

3. Inanother thread on the same issue, here is what you said. This was also quote bycricketplaya in the ‘hadiths on finality of prophet (pbuh)..’
   

“…The Qur’an states itselfthat the crucifixion was made to appear that he (Isa (AS)) was killed. Also,when it refers to 'his death’ in another verse it couldmean both his - the Jew or Christian or it could mean Isa (AS). The verse isnot categorical about which. “

I hope you remember. There youadmitted that this verse could be interpreted in either way.
Thanks to Mughal1 for the link thatlists so many different translations of this verse at one place. And you cansee that many of translations among ‘the generally accepted’ category say that
‘None of the people of the book butwill believe in him (jesus) before his death ….
What does it mean? It clearly statesthat each one of the people of the book will believe in Jesus. This is theversion of translation I proved wrong on the basis that there are other versesthat say that both Jews and Christians will remain till the Judgment day and sotheir differences. So this version is out of the picture.

Other translations with ‘in him’ and ‘before his(Jesus(as)) death’ give rise to questions as:

1. When Islam has come, why is it important to exclusively believe in Jesus (as) with no mention of Islam and prophet Muhammad(pbuh)
2. Why is important to believe in jesus (as) while he is alive. Do you think that as soon as he dies, qiamat will come and they will not have any chance to believe.

In short, this verse is inconclusive from the point of view of life of Jesus (as). Moving on..