Return of Hazrat Isa A.S.

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Re: Return of Hazrat Isa A.S.

@Bigboi

How is it the fairest taxation if you take taxes from non-muslims so you can increase your own worldly wealth? I think we both have a different definition of jizyah.

P.S. It is not rude from you when you disregard most of our opinion instead of considering it and then selecting what is right and what is wrong? Thank you very much for opening my eyes.

**Just ruler:
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He will study every religion and declare Islam to be the superior one. A just ruler can’t kill the swine and break the cross in the sense you mean it or if we consider the views of a orhthodox muslim. A just ruler can’t kill disbelievers as it would contradict the Qur’an and the verse that there is no compulsory in faith. This is what is against the law of the Holy Qur’an.

Break the cross:

It has been broken if you don’t disregard our studies. When I’m wrong my brother then forgive me, but you seem to have no Interest in reading even one iota what we say or what Ahmad says. Why? This is not the way we can lead a debate my dear brother. There is no sense at all and I repeat this again. We should leave it and I’d advise my brothers Mr. Popat and kchugthai as well to leave this topic for now if you keep on disregarding what we say.

Side Note:

In 1995 the German Government forbid the cross in schools and in public places. As you also agree, disbelievers will exist and so the cross.

**Kill the swine:
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read my answer above. It is minority who is greedy and dirty like the swine. The minority is ruling still, but it is to my understanding not only in Isa’a hand to fulfill this task. Every Muslim has a task in this world, because your signature leads to ‘fighting’ for Islam with love and the pen in this age. What did Muhammad Mustafa (saw) teach us? Rehmat!

Abolish Jizyah has been discussed and I have nothing to add.

**Increasing wealth:
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With this not money is mentioned, but the Spiritual Wealth. Spiritual Wealth is much more valuable than what the whole world contains. How can you get it? Muhammad Mustafa (saw) brought it and his servant (Ghulam) Ahmad revived it.

I know who I’am aligned with and I’m grateful for being what I’am. It is not fair if you have only studied negative lectures about Ahmadiyyat and left aside the positive lectures. This in my eyes is not a true Muslim and you contradict yourself with the Hadith that knowledge is the right of every muslim. Wherever he finds it he shall take it. You are disregarding our knowledge.

Peace Bigboi

I like you … you are being open with your beliefs … in all this thread it did not take you long to bring up your beliefs … but I am so shocked that so far people have been more concerned to try to dismantle our beliefs without giving suitable alternatives …

Not that I think our beliefs will be dismantled … but that is my zidd I guess …

The hadith is clear to me however … to me all of those things have to be done at the hands of Isa (AS) any other just doesn’t fit. As for the allegorical meanings I understand how they can be relevant, but if all the bits are not in place I can’t accept them. So hopefully I have shown you that I do take your beliefs seriously … I have books from your jammat as well.

Regarding jizyah I must disagree that it is not meant to make people rich … that would be abuse of the jizyah. It is slander of the jizyah that has brought about this common understanding in the West … Jizyah was meant to enable a healthy economy and it is equal to zakat in value - which is far lower than taxation in the modern world. Jizyah may have been abused to ridicule people but where is ridicule compared with killing and death and slavehood of countries in the rib’a based systems? No … I’m holding my guns on this one … jizyah is a beautiful thing … the only time it is not required is when there is no more threat from foriegn forces and no more poverty.