Return of Hazrat Isa A.S.

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Re: Return of Hazrat Isa A.S.

@Mr.Popat

**The bold point is what i was talking about when i showed u how the prophets are grouped according to Quran. If new prophet can’t come, then neither can the old one. My post above was addressing exactly that issue. It was all relevant to the topic in hand.

So, he will have access to wahi but will not be considered a prophet? or will he be a prophet? and no, im not goin into the argument of khatm e nabuwat.

Is there any reason why Gabriel wont come to him again? His prophethood cannot be taken away from him. I think in his second coming, he will need Gabriel to assist him more than ever.
I quit giving you references after references from Quran in the favour of death of Jesus (AS), but it seems like all you could do to defend that belief is to ask me to learn arabic.

I dont see anything wrong with me asking you questions about the belief you hold. That was why i asked you how Jesus will know Islam ? if its by wahi, then why can Jesus not have Gabriel come to him again?

All i’m saying is that if the teacher is not human, and indeed is Allah then just like how you’re accusing me of limiting Allah’s power, why do u also limit allah’s power of sending Gabriel to him? Gabriel was sent to him before? why not now ?

When you say the same Jesus, sent to bani israel will come bodily , do you not think that you’re indirectly saying that Jesus was unable to complete his mission which was assigned to him by Allah for bani israel ? Do you think Jesus (AS) was incapable of sending Allah’s message across, and hence needs to come back again, but this time as a muslim ? why would Christians believe in him ? To them, he’ll be a liar, as he gave them bible first and then tellin them after 2011 yrz that their belief is wrong, this is what they should be believing? Really?

Peace Mr. Popat

Regarding the previous post … you have taken the conditions of Musa (AS) and applied them across the board to all prophets … you are trying to infer a generality in a specific case. Isa (AS) is coming the second time around it says so in hadith … it does not say that because Musa (AS) couldn’t come therefore Isa (AS) can’t come … that is your reasoning.

I’m following hadith and Qur’an … you are being selective and choose to employ rational argumentation where you feel fit. Musa (AS) was told to remove his shoes for prayer, we are given concession …

Now it was Musa (AS)'s destiny to live and pass on before the advent of Isa (AS) - to correct your earlier statement it was not 2000 years but much more than that … possibly 3000 or more … Isa (AS) is a sign of the hour which started after Muhammad (SAW) … that was his (AS) concession.

So a new prophet will not be appointed, but an older previously appointed shall come and shall still be a prophet.

I didn’t say that Jibreel (AS) will not come to him again … I’m not limiting the Power of Allah (SWT) by saying that something can’t happen … I merely say that this is belief because it either will or will not happen … there is a big difference in our discourse.

When you ask about if I think Isa (AS) was unable to complete his mission that is not the case … his mission is of two parts … one to people of his time and another as a great military leader and to kill Dajjal in our time - in both cases he is a prophet the same prophet. BTW … You have given no evidence from the Qur’an that Isa (AS) has passed away.

You make it seem that by him coming back then that is his (AS) failure, auzdubillah … but it is not … it is the failure of those who didn’t listen to him.

Regarding about “why would Christians believe him…” that is just absurd because the same argument can be used for people who believe that Masih has come in an allegorical manner. Why would Christians believe any such person … Oh wait a sec they have not believed any such person so far … it would be wise of you to use arguments that do not destroy your own position … as for those people they will become Muslim upon the breath of Isa (AS) touching them … they will not have to engage in argumentation and debate … that situation will be far more amazing than that …

Above you mentioned Maulana Ashraf Ali Thanvi regarding the excerpt of Musa (AS) … now hear what the same man wrote about Isa (AS) in the second coming …

In Bahishti Zewar … Doomsday section (translation by Muhammad Masroor Khan Saroha) ***When people will be preparing to offer prayer, Prophet Isa (AS) will be seen descending from the sky keeping his hands on the shoulders of two angels and will alight on the eastern minaret of Juma masjid and will come down from there by a ladder.

***You also quoted Imam Al-Suyuti, did you know this Imam has collected around 55 hadith to reference the belief of the second coming? It sort of makes your post about Musa (AS) just a side issue …