Return of Hazrat Isa A.S.

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Re: Return of Hazrat Isa A.S.

@kchughtai

Yes, it is our responsibility to reconcile those hadiths with Quran not the other way around. First comes Quran. If Quran has given its clear verdict on some issue then no one has the right to give it a new meaning in the light of hadiths or other sources. We need to look at hadiths in the light of Quran and making sure that we are not going against the word of Allah. If Quran declares a person among dead then it is not appropriate to accept his coming again and give a unique meaning to him being dead.
As far as hadiths are concerned, I am not rejecting them but they need to be understood. There are no reliable hadiths that tell us that Isa (as) is alive up in the heavens or was ascended to heavens/skies or even that he (as) will descend from heaven/sky. The wording used for coming of messiah is not limited to physically descending. Quran is witness to this fact. I am referring to word ‘NAZAL’. Moreover, there is clear difference between the physical appearance of Isa (as) ibn mariam and the one who will come in his name. While explaining appearance of prophets during miraj, the holy prophet (pbuh) mentioned (فااحمر جعد ) red color with curly hair [Bukhari book bada ul Khalaq] and when referring to Messiah who will come in connection with dajjal, imam malik in his Mauta and then bukhari mentions ‘a person with best of wheatish color and straight hair’
As far as your assertion that Quran is not against someone dwelling up in the heavens and his coming back from there to this world. Here is one of the evidence against this very concept:
17:93)….’ Say, ‘Holy is my Lord! I am not but a man sent as a Messenger.’
In response to demands of prophet (pbuh) going to heavens and coming back with a book. The demands are frivolous in character and Allah is above such frivolities. As for their demands pertaining to the holy prophet (pbuh) , they are incompatible with his limited powers as a human being and his mission as a prophet of Allah.
when we attribute ascent and descent to Isa (as), do we consider him more than just a human and a messenger of Allah

Peace again

If I start a discussion here about how Hadith and Qur’an are reconciled it will distract us from the topic. My point will be that when I say reconcile Hadith with Qur’an I mean it to be to extract an understanding where both are valid. However, you have not said that, you are clearly happy to reject Hadith if your understanding based on Qur’an is conflicting with that Hadith. My position will hold the Hadith and the Qur’an higher than my own personal understanding but yours will not. My stance also acknowledges that many meanings are present, whereas you are less likely to consider those and from the thread it is clear you only choose to do that when it suits your understanding.