Results and their consequences

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So this is how the new NA will look like

  1. PPPP
  2. PML(N)
  3. MQM
  4. ANP
  5. Rest of the crap

There are quite a few pressing issues need to be sorted out for two major parties and MQM.

  1. working with Musharraf I think PPPP will be willing to work with musharraf and this is why they might join hands with other crap and mqm to form a government. But they have also looked forard to work with PML(N) who will NOT tolerate Musharraf at any cost.

  2. PML(N) have vowed to bring ousted judiciary back. PPPP havent vowed such a thing. They want a complete revamp of judiciary. MQM didnt even let ex Ch Justice let in Karachi.

  3. Inflation is still gonna rise no matter who forms the government. Petrol prices are going to be up again.

Musharraf will have a few sleepless nights before he comes up with a plan to 'pata’ofy PPP and MQM to stay in power.

Interesting days ahead. I am very relieved that at least there will not be any protests on streets and further potential chaos. I am excited to see who forms the govt. Hope to see Makhdoom Amin Fahim as PM.

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I would prefer if PPP won, since they have policies more in line with regional powers ANP and MQM.

That would allow probably the most stable govt to take place... PPP in the center, PPP+PML(N) in punjab, PPP+MQM in Sindh, PPP+ANP in NWFP.

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Don't forget some of the wild cards on the provincial levels:

PML - N will form a majority government in Punjab. Without its cooperation, the central government is going to struggle. The scenario which occured after the 88 elections might repeat itself..

Who will form the government in NWFP ? Will it be a coalition of PPP + ANP. Looking at the past history of cooperation between the two parties, it might not be possible..

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In the interest of the country it should be a national govt consisting of PPP, PML(N), ANP and MQM at the centre.

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I think for any National government to succeed, it must have a friendly government in Punjab. It might sound sad, but it's a reality.

For that reason, I think alliances of PPP + PML (N) can't be ruled out in Punjab and Center..hence, the chances of PML (N) sitting in opposition are meager. That's until Musharraf starts to play his trickery :D

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I have read Zardari marking they would not mind working with Musharraf. But if it comes to choosing between Mush and PML(N), i believe MUSH will be ousted. He has his days numbered forsure :k:

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ANP is to play a vital role too. They are having big time lead in PF. I hope PML(N) and PPP do not act bandar bant and take the other parties alongside for the betterment of the country.

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with ANP and MQM in the govt, along with a strong PPP.. hopefully Pakistan will towards a more federalist system :k:

Incidentally if these elections lead to a stable govt, it will probably spell the end of the quixotic political career of Imran Khan. Those who will be in power as a result of these elections (PPP/PML N) will not be people Imran Khan can easily bash to expand his votebank.

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Good bye to #2 chaudharies of Gujrat. I would have voted to donkeys if they ran against danggar shujaat hussain or hanumaan parvez Elahi. What a shame for the country to have a PM from these two good for nothing chaudhary brothers.
Good bye to Musharaf who is likely to go and settle at his ranch in Texas to stay very close to Bush.
Thank God!

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Rose-colored democrats will see the results and think that PPP and PML-N should join forces and make a joint government, form radically different policies and try to oust Mush. I suspect that at the end of the day, neither PPP nor PML-N will get a simple majority, PPP will come up as the party with the most number of seats in the NA, and hence they will need to make a coalition government with other parties. This is a dream scenario for our intelligence agencies, where they'd love to play their dirty politics; and if they play their cards correctly, they may end up with convincing PPP to ditch PML-N, and to join forces with MQM, independents, may be even PML-Q. This will keep PML-N out of power and into opposition forces. This will allow Mushy to stay on, may be with some diluted powers, but definitely still in place, and the pro-America policies will continue.

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^ thats also the dream scenario for intelligent posters, such as me :p.

PPP and PML(N) unity govt is meaningless, and further dilutes the little ideological distinction there is. PPP is more similar to ANP/MQM, which are both federalist and progressive, than PML.

hopefully PPP will still need PML(N) in punjab provincial govt, therefore PML will be able to steer PPP on the CJ issue.

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^ On the CJ issue, I don't see any desire on the part of PPP to bring back Ifti Ch. Why? Dude is a maverick. He is as good as gone (he is gone). PML-N will form the govt in Punjab (likely), and may or may not align with PPP. My suspicion is that at some point, PML-N and PML-Q will merge together. That is a situation custom built for power politics.

I agree that PML and PPP alliance will severely dilute ideological differences between left and right. I doubt it will happen in any meaningful way, anyway.

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agree on the CJ matter. I dont think PML(N) is interested in CJ either once the votes are cast, but if they're only in a position to nag, thats what they'll nag about.

On PPP/PML(N), I think the equation of them ruling together basically is PPP + PML(N or Q) = PML. any ideology lost will be PPP's... PML is basically family-politicians in their natural state of existence

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The way I look at it, and mostly stereotypical...

PPP - Was created on socialist ideals (these socialist ideals have diluted quite a lot in recent years), nationalism of industry, big government, less religious, progressive on social issues, more progressive and bold in foreign policies.

PML - More religious tendencies, support private industry and big business, conservative on social issues, more conservative in foreign policies (will try to align with Islami bhai chaara as much as possible).

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true, true.

if they were true to their ideologies I’d be a PML supporter. but we have the right of center here with raising the minimum wage and welfare for farmers in their mandate :rolleyes:

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I agree with Faisal here, most likely, PPP+PML (Q)+MQM will make a coalition government with help of some lotas from PML-N

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The biggest surprise of the elections has been PML-N. To tell you the truth this came at a cost to PPP. What PML-Q got was widely expected, MQM to sweep karachi and hyderabad was never in question. ANP's good showing in NWFP was also expected. I do not see a major sympathy factor for PPP due to Benazir's death. The results show that they are head to head with PML-N in NA lead.

How many of you expected such a resounding victory for PML-N?

Lets forget, for a second only, what happened in the last 8-9 years. If you put PML-N and Q together which they actually were you have PML as the winner of these elections. A lot of seats won by PPP in punjab was maily due to the split of muslim league votes between two strong candidates.

So my question is, how big was the sympathy factor? Did PPP really win as big as everyone was expecting?

I think the statements made by Zardari in the aftermath of Benazir's death did creep a lot of people out. PPP would have had a land slide victory over all if their VP candidate was clear and it was Makhdoom Amin Fahim. Pakistanis in general do not trust Zardari. PPP die hards do not trust Zardari.

Results from punjab didnt change much, there is still a strong Muslim league support there, it is just that they were divided in 2 strong groups.

Personally my first choice in this elections would have been to abstain. I would have voted for PPP if Makhdoom Amin was declared the VP candidate before the elections. Just the thought of having Asif Ali as a possible VP gave me the heebie jeebies and may have voted for PML-N just to keep him out. So I have been asking myself since yesterday if that is what happened in Punjab?

The best results for me have been from NWFP. Secular parties win clearly shows that Pashtuns are no different from punjabies, sindhis, and baluchis. Everyone wants to spend their life in peace, a few people with a different agenda does not mean that there is wide spread support for terrorism in NWFP.

I wish the new (old) leadership of this country takes a step in a positive direction. I hope that even if Musharraff doesnt step down he works in harmony with the new govt for a better Pakistan and be in the check and balance role as he keeps promising.

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I beg to differ with you....yesterday was not a typical election PML vs PPP in Punjab....it was clearly an election agaist Musharraf...unprecedented unity was demonstrated by people in the streets....infact PPP and PML N voters were facilitating each other...and every vote against Q league was considered a vote against Musharraf....

Don't be so surprised on PML N victory....Nawaz Sharif got his votes not because of PML factor...but because of his clear anti Musharraf and pro judiciary stand...even Zardari's votes in Punjab were basically anti Musharraf votes...I hope these leaders now mend their past ways and respect the people's mandate....specially if Mr. Zardai tries to save illegal President....believe me PPP will be wiped out of Punjab forever without a single seat in future for the party...

Actually people wanted to give Zardari a new chance...for the sake of the unity of Pakistan....and expect him to stand above his personal gains...and probably if he does that people will forgive him for his past deeds...

What he needs to do is immediately impeach the illegal President...and bring forward people like Aitzaz Ahsan and Amin Faheem for president/prime minister slots...and bring out his party from personality cult....if he wants his party to survive in future....otherwise I can assure you his party will be wiped out of Punjab...

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yazdi, both PML-N and PPP were anti Musharraff, so you have to take that out of the equation.

Aitezaz has been side-lined, by BB and Zardari as well. I still read more statements from Zardari than Makhdoom Amin. Who is PPP? I still think PPP did not get the sympathy we were expecting due to Benazir's death. Votes that would have gone to PPP if Benazir was alive or if Zardari didnt come out as the leader of PPP after her death helped Nawaz win so many seats.

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So...

PPP & PML will take Punjab and Federal govt. PPP+PMLN+ANP will take over NWFP. PMLQ+ others will take over Blachistan, and Sind goes to PPP and MQM.