So last night I was browsing images of Gaddafi and reading about how the mob dragged his body accross streets, etc. Then I also was reading about Mrs. Bhutto’s death and some sarcastic remarks made about her.
While I understand that Gaddafi was a wicked dictator who treated people poorly and was accussed of almost every criminal activity one could commit in their lifetime, I think that after a person has left this duniya, we should close the chapter and move on. I wonder if the people who dragged his body got pleasure out of doing so…I mean, wasn’t killing him enough to settle the score? Isn’t Allah supposed to decide our fate thereafter?
I don’t know…but I am totally against torture of any kind. Punishment is justified, but why stoop to the very same level we are accusing the person of? Maybe I don’t understand those extreme emotions because I didn’t live there and wasn’t directly affected by his regime.
Lekin, bechari Mrs. Bhutto ney kya ghazab kiya tha?
Disrespecting or mutilating a dead body is one of the biggest crime in Islam. That is one reason whey some scholars even oppose autopsy as it requires to cut a body open.
All I will say is people who have not had loved ones murdered will never be:
a) in the position of judging emotions of people who HAVE had loved ones murdered
b) feel the extreme hatred or revenge and I mean extreme for the murderers. It is sometimes very easy to comment on issues like revenge etc but people who have not not had to go through the same pain and agony will never be able to understand
Saying that I agree with you, after someone is dead treat his or her body with respect.
I totally agree with you Niksik. Islam does not allow such acts and a dead body should be burried as soon as possible but what people of Libya are doing with the corpses of Gaddafi & his son is unhuman and unethical , don't have enough words to condem such abuse of a dead body.
But like u said we were not directly affected by his dictatorship so we haven't really gone through through extreme emotions.
As per may ppl, she chose Zardari for Benazir and that was her biggest unforgivable sin. Why ppl forget that she was an ordinary woman (besides belonging to Bhutto family) who didn’t know the future. She was the most unlucky woman in Pakistan for whom nothing negative came in media or through other sources.She was most caring for her personal servants and young workers of PPP. Look at the remarks given by different ppl who know her personally.
and as for Mrs. Bhutto..........she didn't do ANYTHING at all.............
the reason for sarcastic remarks might be the fact that she is being made out to be something she was not......
All I will say is people who have not had loved ones murdered will never be:
a) in the position of judging emotions of people who HAVE had loved ones murdered
b) feel the extreme hatred or revenge and I mean extreme for the murderers. It is sometimes very easy to comment on issues like revenge etc but people who have not not had to go through the same pain and agony will never be able to understand
Saying that I agree with you, after someone is dead treat his or her body with respect.
You are very right....I don't think that you can estimate a person's feelings without having walked in their shoes.
Having said that, this is also no justification for disrespectful behaviour.....particularly when it has clearly been stated that the act is a punishable sin.
At the end Allah knows best what is in our hearts.
I like to believe Shak but I refuse to believe that people who dragged his body are the people who lost a personal love one because of Ghaddafi. They were just insensitive jerks who were drunk by power.
Please tell me why people dragged the bodies of Sialkot brothers?
Why Palestinians dragged the bodies of American soldiers?
Why KKK goons dragged the body of a black man tied behind their truck for miles and miles?
How many of above people were directly affected by the victims (the dead ones)?
and as for Mrs. Bhutto..........she didn't do ANYTHING at all.............
the reason for sarcastic remarks might be the fact that she is being made out to be something she was not......
PPL should first look at today's lot of women politician like Firdous Ashiq Awan, Kashmala Tariq, Pml(n) thief (I don't remember her name) and look at Mrs Bhutto's career before saying that she did nothing. Agree to the extent that this government has made all the awards charmless by giving them to every aira ghaira nathoo khaira.
somehow all the people whose love ones were directly killed by Gaddafi, got together as a group in a big country like Libya, and collectively found him inside a big hole !!!!???
somehow all the people whose love ones were directly killed by Gaddafi, got together as a group in a big country like Libya, and collectively found him inside a big hole !!!!???
You are very right....I don't think that you can estimate a person's feelings without having walked in their shoes.
Having said that, this is also no justification for disrespectful behaviour.....particularly when it has clearly been stated that the act is a punishable sin.
At the end Allah knows best what is in our hearts.
Exactly I agree!
I like to believe Shak but I refuse to believe that people who dragged his body are the people who lost a personal love one because of Ghaddafi. They were just insensitive jerks who were drunk by power.
I agree that there is no justification for silly behavior. It is haram as Muzna rightly said.
My point is simple which is if we have someone close to us KILLED trust me all religion goes out of our head and the utter hate that is filled is unbelievable. Their thought-process is twisted by pain, extreme pain, and therefore noone has any right, especially people who have never suffered murder in their family, to give any judgement on people who have and who react likewise.
Please tell me why people dragged the bodies of Sialkot brothers?
Why Palestinians dragged the bodies of American soldiers?
Why KKK goons dragged the body of a black man tied behind their truck for miles and miles?
They killed innocents, they're as sick as any murderer and I said above if a person has died his body should treated with respect.
I agree that there is no justification for silly behavior. It is haram as Muzna rightly said.
My point is simple which is if we have someone close to us KILLED trust me all religion goes out of our head and the utter hate that is filled is unbelievable. Their thought-process is twisted by pain, extreme pain, and therefore noone has any right, especially people who have never suffered murder in their family, to give any judgement on people who have and who react likewise.
They killed innocents, they're as sick as any murderer and I said above if a person has died his body should treated with respect.
Then do you see the contradiction even in your own post?
In one place you are suggesting that:
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noone has any right, especially people who have never suffered murder in their family, to give any judgement on people who have and who react likewise
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and then you are judging:
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they're as sick as any murderer
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When emotions get involved then yes, people lose control....however....one of the main teachings of Islam is to maintain control over those feelings that will permit you to act in violation of its tenets. Whether Allah decides that one crime/sin is greater than the other is not something we will know.
Typo, I mean people who have not walked in the same shoes as people who have had their loved ones murdered cannot judge the reactions of people who have had their loved ones murdered.
Thanks for opening up this thread Niksik! ... lately, the comments on this forum or others on news websites are very insensitive!
there is something called humanity! ... which comes first before anything! .. if Gadaffi was a bad guy, a dictator who commited many crimes, but the way he was tortured and killed was very disturbing and sad. no one deserves to die like that! ... not even our enemy.
the way his killers were disrespecting his dead body, or were taking pics infront of dead body in tht freezer was just so insane and inhumane!
tht guy who shot him, seems like he just wanted to take the credit and perhaps wanted to be famous tht look im the guy who killed the dictator ... if they captured him, why not bring him to court??? ... and let they judicary decide, why take law in your own hands!!???
no offence, but this uprising in middle east and africa showed one thing that arabs are pretty cold hearted! even their women!
as for Nusrat Bhutto, again very insensitive comments made abt her, esp whn she hasnt wronged anyone!
man , many ppl didnt even know if she was alive or not all these years, and now all of a sudden they are talking about her and badmouthing a dead person!! .. v sad!
Islam has taught us never to disrespect the dead-body. If someone does it (such as in case of Gaddafi etc), how will he/she differentiate b/w themselves and the dictator? Person's real face actually comes out when they have power to do something stupid/criminal but they dont.
On the other hand I also dont understand all the false praise for the dead ones. One should not curse the dead-ones but at the same time should not shower false praise as in case of Nusrat Bhutto. She has done nothing to for Pakistan to the extent that she is named 'madar-e-jamhoriyat' and get highest civil award, 10 days of official mourning and 1 day of public holiday. She has done a lot for PPP though and they can mourn all they want.
but it was a stunt played by PPP. NB had nothing to do with that. Why drag her in this?
Well I am not dragging her I am just saying that we should not be showering praise on deads when its not due. NB was only used as example of course she has no part in all this stunt.
You reap what you sow. I frankly don't give a flying plane if you are dead or alive. You are dead. Sucks to be you. But the crimes you committed are your legacy and I will call you on it. I mean most of you guys would never say the same Stalin or Hitler now would you? Its okay to bad mouth them when they are dead. But the same doesn't apply to Benazir or anybody from the Bhutto clan.
Gaddafi is dead. He was an evil man. And just because he is dead does not mean I am not going to judge him as an evil dude just because he is dead. The same applies for the stain on Pakistan that is the Bhutto family.