Do you think it’s your duty to report this sort of illegal activity even if it is someone you know?
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Why not ? If you are tax payer they are stealing your money would you let someone steal your money ?
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Maybe not one on one, but communities should feel responsibilty of arranging lectures against benefit fraud.
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YES, i am totally against those **social parasites*...they must be reported and prosecuted and sentenced to whatever punishment is provided under the law. it's shame for the community that those people who rip off *the system...the system that was created for them if they are ever in NEED and definitely NOT when they are in GREED!!!**
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Why not ? If you are tax payer they are stealing your money would you let someone steal your money ?
But isn't this the same as that question we talked about where someone was going to sponsor someone......
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No it is not same. In that case those people have the legal right to come to this country and their sponsor does not make enough money to provide affidavit of support to their loved one and they need a co-sponsor , so you and they are not cheating the system in that sponsorship.
If they are cheating the tax system by not reporting their income I am not the judge of that. It is between them , Allah and Uncle Sam.
I can give you just one example in my city the cab drivers can make only 2000 dollars a month and this guy has a big family so he was not able to sponsor though he paid taxes on a income of 25000 dollars for the year. And I do not think he cheated the system.
This case is outright stealing which you know for sure that they are stealing and cheating the system.
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Why not ? If you are tax payer they are stealing your money would you let someone steal your money ?
isn't it the same as employee cheating and misusing PAID SICK LEAVE for other purposes (vacationing etc) ? only that this time he is cheating with Tax payer money (or my/your money) and there he was cheating with Company's money?
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I gave my reason in that thread saying if employee has used up all paid sick leave they will have to take an unpaid leave if a need arises. So company is not losing anything they have that money in their budget for this purpose. In some companies if you do not use your sick leave you can accumulate that and cash out when you leave the company.
In this case they person is cheating government which has not allowance for this cheating.
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got it....thanks.
perhaps memory fails me but I thought the cab driver was not fully reporting his income......
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I gave my reason in that thread saying if employee has used up all paid sick leave they will have to take an unpaid leave if a need arises. So company is not losing anything they have that money in their budget for this purpose. In some companies if you do not use your sick leave you can accumulate that and cash out when you leave the company. In this case they person is cheating government which has not allowance for this cheating.
Your reason is based on the assumption that employee will get sick during rest of the year and hence it will 'even out'. Its just hard to comprehend. To me, cheating is cheating there is no 'allowance' for it.
What if employee does not get sick? should he/she return the money to company?
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got it....thanks.
perhaps memory fails me but I thought the cab driver was not fully reporting his income......
Everybody was assuming that , I am told it happens but I have no proof of that. Even in Chicago where people say that cab drivers make 4000 dollars a month and cheat on taxes their lifestyle and quality of life of their families did not reflect that they were cheating on their taxes. I cannot base my decision to do a good deed for the sake of rumors desi spread against each other . Right ?
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right.
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Your reason is based on the assumption that employee will get sick during rest of the year and hence it will 'even out'. Its just hard to comprehend. To me, cheating is cheating there is no 'allowance' for it.
OK baba do not cheat on sick leave and do report that employee who cheated on sick leave but I will not.
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isn't it the same as employee cheating and misusing PAID SICK LEAVE for other purposes (vacationing etc) ? only that this time he is cheating with Tax payer money (or my/your money) and there he was cheating with Company's money?
I wouldn't feel so bad cheating a company that reaps 1000% profits on its products and services. Besides, these companies have allocated the time for their employees' personal needs. Not only that, they KNOW some will take advantage of their allocated time off so their employees have been given leeway to use their time off as they please (as long as they keep it on the DL). However, it's not encouraged.
Cheating with tax payers' money is a different story. I have a problem with perfectly healthy people taking advantage of this sytem that was put in place for the needy. What ends up happening is people get lazy, abuse drugs and yet the government knowing all this cannot stop their wellfare checks/food stamps/medicare. You can't leave them to die there but this enables them to continue with their lazy lifestyle. Possibly the only flaw of Liberal democracies.
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I wouldn't feel so bad cheating a company that reaps 1000%
that could easily be anyone's reason/pretext to loot and steal items from any departmental store and on top of it stores KNOW that there will be stealing from the stores. So we should not feel bad about stealing stuff from the store eh?
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Maybe not one on one, but communities should feel responsibilty of arranging lectures against benefit fraud.
1-Like boss said here, as a community we should not earn such reputation.
2-As a person If some one is focused on such things, I assure you he missing more then he is getting.
3-morally, I have no problem if some is out smarting blood leaching corporations, but I will have difficulty to
be good friends with such a person.
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that could easily be anyone's reason/pretext to loot and steal items from any departmental store and on top of it stores KNOW that there will be stealing from the stores. So we should not feel bad about stealing stuff from the store eh?
People steal office supplies all the time where I work:p. As for department stores, employees get ther employee discount on almost everything in the store. It's there to discourage stealing. Stealing actual material and misusing allocated time off are two very different offenses. :p
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People steal office supplies all the time where I work:p. As for department stores, employees get ther employee discount on almost everything in the store. It's there to discourage stealing. Stealing actual material and misusing allocated time off are two very different offenses. :p
lets agree to disagree then. To me, stealing time or material is same. At the end of the day everything translate to $.
oh and just because people do something wrong* all the time*, does not make it right.
Whats wrong should be said wrong :)
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lets agree to disagree then. To me, stealing time or material is same. At the end of the day everything translate to $.
oh and just because people do something wrong* all the time*, does not make it right.
Whats wrong should be said wrong :)
Exactly. Corporations should be held to the same level of accountability as consumers for stealing/unethical behavior/mistreatmemt/etc etc. Also, governments shouldn't bail out big corporations and banks either. What's wrong is wrong. :p Unfortunately, not everything is as cut and dry as we would like to think. If you look at the entire U.S. monetary system sab wrong hi wrong dikhega.
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but just because sab wrong hi wrong dikhega doesn't give us the green light to propagate the behaviour.....does it?