Replace France with India

OK b4 I forget what what I have read here (I actually read everyone’s replies.. jeez…:rolleyes: )

I want to address this first:

CH asked: What does Soverign Rating have to do with FDI

CH, doesn’t a nation’s S&P/Moody’s credit rating have an effect on foreign direct investment, basically advising foreign investors of the confidence that analytical firm has in a country’s economy and projected growth? So, basically, if the sovereign rating is downgraded a notch, that means investor confidence is lowered, and even if India had huge amounts of foreign investment last year, it will prolly be lower this year? Could u pls. explain this to me? I did take finance classes, magar aab mai bhool gai. :frowning:

India had surplus of foreign reserves in 2002, I think about $58-$60Bn, but that isn’t FDI, that’s our own wealth.

OK, now to the main post.

I don’t think Friedman gave any good enough reason for India to be included in the UNSC as a permanent member. He harps on France and its shortcomings, but nothing concrete about why India should be selected. Just because India is “the biggest emerging computer society” does not make it a strong and stable economy.

His reasons: “Because India is the world’s biggest democracy, the world’s largest Hindu nation and the world’s second-largest Muslim nation” are not as important as this one: “quite frankly, India is just so much more serious than France these days”. The article was about FRANCE, with emphasis on France’s bad points, not about India at all.

How can you call India the world’s largest Hindu nation? It is, officially, the world’s only Hindu nation. It is not the world’s biggest democracy but the world’s biggest socialist democracy… there is a slight difference. The US, I believe, is the world’s biggest democracy that way. Capitalism is not a political ideology, it is an economic philosophy. Political ideologies are slow to change and the change affects each aspect of society; economic philosophies are more easily susceptible to change, and the changes do not affect every aspect of established society. Also, India is not an official “Muslim nation”. U cannot be a nation of two, officially. It is home to the second largest body of muslims in the world, after Indonesia, yes. But not a Muslim nation. For that, it will need to undergo a tremendous change, in government, on paper documents, etc.. etc..

So I think factually, his piece is a bit messed up. However, what you guys took up on was the “computer society” phrase, and spun it to span the whole economy. Friedman neglected to mention that that we are still very much an agrarian society… overwhelmingly 70%. He has used his own set of polemics to pin France, but not done a good enough job for proving India’s case. Disappointing.

I think personally that India does not deserve to be a permanent member in the UNSC. It is a very jahil country still. Sorry to be so blunt. Political climate is still not as stable as one would like it to be, foreign investment is coming in, true, Masha’Allah. But India is still very nazuk, and has too much of that slave mindset. We have not become detached enough from our past to be able to function objectively in the global arena. Being a permanent member of the UNSC entails a lot of responsibility. I don’t think India is very responsible… it’s in it’s young adulthood still, and needs more time to mature.

Just going by demographics alone is not enough to be on the Security Council. We have centuries of colonial history, shackles that we haven’t been able to break off too well. Japan has proved itself on the world stage, Germany has proved itself even after horrific Hitler… I don’t think India is good enuf. Too emotional. Besides, economic growth is a relatively recent nasha, wait till we have experienced it atleast another two decades at a steady rate, before claiming to be as anywhere near global players.

Japan and Germany deserve to be on the Council tho. I don’t think Russia cuts it anymore, and China is an emerging economy better than India in many ways. It should be Britain, the US, Germany, Japan, France, China and South Africa. Bringing in an African nation will cover issues in Africa, which everyone neglects most of the time.

Sorry if it all sounds off, it’s just my personal opinions.

Well Written Ana !!! :k:

But explain…what makes you think that America is Biggest democracy?? what do you mean by biggest here???

Also what explains UK’s presence in descurity council??? What is their achievement..

Ana: India is not the world's only hindu majority nation. Nepal is as well.

Ana: Soverign rating of India btw was upgraded to Ba1 by moody last week. I am not sure what these clowns are harping about but if you want to save your precious pedigree. I would suggest doing some more homework. Soverign rating affects the debt markets positively as well. How do you think deficit budgets are run? This is not private debt like the US but public and varies from state to state. I think you have some reading to do still.

As far as adding south africa for the sake of including africa considering you rattled off 'n' number of vague reasons for discounting India is just as ridiculous. I would recommend you go and take a trip to India. See it for yourself. China was in a lot worse shape than India is now when it was included in the club, Economically and politically. Britain's GDP has been sliding relative to the other economic powers year over year on an aggragate scale.

Sure, India has to do better. India will do better. And India is not a socialist democracy. The license Raj was over in 1991. Slowly but surely, it is making great leaps for society at large and individuals. There is still a lot of work around education, a lot of work around eradicating sectarianism, corruption. But these things were there in China too and still are. Like it or not, the west and India have a lot in common. A commitment to capitalism, a commitment to fighting terrorism and a commitment of cross polination of culture. When countries open up, good things happen. It happened with China, it is happening with India.

AH! Nepal.. I knew I had forgotten something.. k, thanks.

I didn't know it was upgraded last week. I read about it's downgrade compared to Pakistan.. about a month back.. somewhere. Oye homework ka naam maat lo, I am in deep doodoo as it is. :(.. haan, debt market, I remember now. Is there some easy quick reading on this topic u can recommend for me? I don't wanna go thru my finance texts tonite.

Yeah, I agree, India is moulding itself on the pattern of the west... what u write makes sense... but u r rite, I need to go back and see for myself. All this second-hand knowledge is not doing me any good. :( . L8r y'all.

a seat in security council must be based on many conditions and criterias and india for sure well deserves this position and seat.

india is the largest democracy in the world and its population is only second to china.it is a regional super power and is the worlds 6th military power.india has been able to give out a highly rhetorcial sound on many international issues and disputes since its independence.india is the biggest participator in all U.N peace endeavour missions(peace keeping force)to many countries including Korewan peninsula and sierra leon.it has lost more peace keeping personnel than any other nation in this world and indian peace keeping missions have been widely acknowledged as the worlds best and efficient peace keeping missions.

               india is the worlds larget secular power and it has got a defined constitution that grants full protection to all its people irrespective of their religion,caste and race.

              india has had its citizen as  UN  president and india clearly enjoys a wide spread support for its claim over UNSC seat.(overall)

Germany ansd Japan are no deserving candiadates since both countries have got a past of bloody path and wars.Both may be financial giants but they do not have any concerete stand to claim for this position...

Amazing !! What a response to a knee-jerk article. We the brown people of south Asia are in the habit of jumping up and down over a mere utterance of few words by white men. I don't think Indians need to get excited over a Charlie's advocacy for India's permanent seat, that too written with a negative attitude. If Honduras or Timbactoo instead of India is more acceptable to White House, then these brand of reporters will find out greater virtues in these cuntries. Equally wonderful is the Pakistanis' response, if a white man supports her opponents, then quyamat must be near.

The colonial hangover continues.