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ok, I guess I should clarify what I said.
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Thanks, now for the reply, but I also wanted to know about the your first reply, about how salman was hypocritical... You also left out the part as to Pakistan not having a problem with fundamentalism.
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for starters, I've always thought of Salman Ahmed and his Junoon members as a very good business franchise but not much more than that. I find it quite fantastic that people who've not seen any of the realities that average Pakistanis face to go on and on about peace:
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Well, I am sure Salman has seen alot in Pakistan. He was a student in Lahore, and there are some famous tales, as to when he and Junaid Jamshed were playing in a college, they were raided by some Mollahs, so my friend, they have seen alot of that as musicians. This is the same band that got death threats and warnings, even from the Government. ** Remember their song 'Ehtesaab'** Name one other mai ka laal that had the guts to make such a song which was meant to tick the Governemnt off, and this was what earned them the ban, and its ironic how Junoon actually prospered during that ban ;)
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1) Lets start with "No More". What was that about? I agree 9/11 was horrible but was it much worse what Israelis do on a daily basis to the Palestinians. Why doesn't Junoon compose a song for them? Why must a song be sung for the Amreekan tragedy but other tragedies including those that hit close to home are not even worth a mention? This is my very first beef with these people.
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Well, what does Israel have to do with Salman singing a song about how New York (which happens to be the home city of Salman and Brian, the two members of the band). Its their city, they grew up in it, and they have the right to do so. Wouldnt you be hurt if Canada (ur country) was bombed? Maybe if that happened in Canada, you would have had a different view about junoon, (even though we have plenty of canadians trying to avenge 9/11 ;)) Besides, you said a song must be sung for tragedies at home, well, listen to 'ehtesaab', 'kaha jo anhoon ne', 'dharti ke khudda' and much more, what do they talk about? They talk about the problems in Pakistan, not New York. I feel you havent followed the bands music. Oh, and I am sure you didnt catch their huge concert in Islamabad meant to provide relief for the Afghani children during the American attack on Afghanistan.
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They're musicians and fine ones at that. They're not social leaders or great scholars or peace activists. You especially cannot be a peace activist when the only anthems of peace you can sing are for a country where you have vested commercial interests.
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I see them singing the anthem of our own country at the very end of their concerts, what does that suggest?
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2) For all Junoon fans, Salman Ahmed might be the epitomy of intellect but I've seen and heard this man speak and I've been bitterly disappointed not once but twice. He made a fool out of himself and everyone associated with Pakistan when he went on the Maher Show. He could not come with a single decent rebuttal. Maher and Simmons poked some major holes into his arguments.
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Well, if you think Maher (a proven idiots) and Simmons (another jew hate monger) were influential when they said all that anti-Islamic stuff, then youre mistaken. ** Salman faced three westerners on that show who were very anti-Islamic** and I laud him for that. Who do you think could have done a better job? Certainly not Maulana Bijli ;)
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Even if you look at this documentary you can see how the video was manipulated. Was it just me or did the Maulana Sahib have a dubbing that made him sound like the devil himself?
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Well my friend, if you listen carefully, that same guy who was providing the translation for Maulana was also the one providing the voice for the Sufis, now the sufis are also devils? That was not the point. And oh yes, if you listen carefully and ignore the translator, you will find Maulana's voice too, and the words he used, which I have heard too often in Jumma khutbaz in Pakistan are 'kisi harami ne kuch kiya', 'pakistan sab se bara soor hai'.
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Secondly what was the melodramatic crap that Salman Ahmed spewed at the very end about Bijli calling him a heathen and stuff? Bijli did not say that and Salman Ahmed was twisting his words.
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Well, you got to see the edited version, I saw the original footage, there was more conversation that was edited. Remember how Salman said, 'aap ne tu kaha tha merey sandle bhi unislamic hain'. He was referring to some of that. And oh yes, didnt Maulana say music was forbidden, while he was reffering to the 52 Islamic countries.
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It was very obvious that the documentary used very old media tricks to convey its message. Salman Ahmed and the documentary makers also "had their shutters down" just like the madrassah folks.
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Well my friend, you wont even find one single place where Salman Ahmed said in the face of the mollahs that they were wrong. He had a good argument with them, and exposed their lies from themselves, and that was evident by the smile you could see in his face everytime he did that.
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3) This is a little unrelated but I find it disturbing so I'll say it. FG, I believe lauded Junoon for brining Allama Iqbal's Kalam to the youth's attention. I feel that if the youth of Pakistan need a couple of guys in bright pink pyjamas jumping around each flapping their arms to make them listen to Iqbal's message, well then perhaps they're not worthy of the great Allama's works.
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You should be glad that children nowadays listen to Iqbals words in Junoons voice. Goto them and try riciting some of Iqbals words in a class and you will soon see half of your class is already going to sleep. This is an excellent way to promote our own poets.
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I think Junoon should write their own songs and stop plagiarizing off great poets of the past who for the most part are not around to prevent such disrespect from taking place.
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Well, singing to tunes of poets like Bulleh Shah is not plagurizing, and besides, this is off topic anywayz, and has nothing to do with the documentary. Btw, in case you didnt know, Bulleh Shah was a sufi poet, probably the greatest of them all, and alot of Sufis revere him, inculding Salman, and there is nothing wrong with that. How have they disrespected Bulleh Shah by spreading his words to places that have never even heard of Bulleh Shah such as the US? Junoon stands as Asia's best band, with a huge fan following and personally everyone of their song is an inspiration on its own
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