no sir if think shaiviates and vaishnavaits(both are brahmins) r low caste hindu then also i request u to do u r research work properly(2nd time im asking u) then come to me and ask question .ur knowledge of india is nil.btw sir u r not the one who writes the destiny of indian muslims. they r efficient enough to write their own destiny.we as indian brtherns must be concerned with each others plight.and we r aware of our defficiencies both as hindoos aur muslim.india is our home and we will resolve our own issues in our house peacefully.y u r concerned with our problem.dont try to make our problem as urs and in the end try to end up showing urself as indian too.sorry sir u ppl ve hot ur land 55 yrs back .now try to concentrate ur energies in resolving ur domestic problems rather than solving our problems.well we r efficient enough by the grace of allah to resolve our issues.
look i never said that gujrat was right its u who is blaminng it on all of us.meanwhile dragging me into to show u the other side of the coin .i always said that 2 wrongs dont make a right .i never wanted to say the other side of it but u forced upon it.well if those dead muslims r victims in gujrat then those dead hindus r also victims in meerut.if those raped women of kashmir are victims and sure they are then im too one among them.but i dont need the false sympathy of u ppl which is only politicised.
u talk to me on yahoo now itself.i dont wana make show of myself here.
Reza, its a challenge…make some investigations, dig up in the web search and you will find that after the Babri demolition Muslims in Mumbai on 7 December 1992 started violent protests, later picked up and retaliated by Hindu goons.
(Do you understand the meaning of ‘violent protests’?)
When on 7 December some ‘Muslim groups in Mumbai protested violently’ against the demolition, right wing Hindu groups, and in particular the Shiv Sena, used the situation to mobilise the Hindus to “teach Muslims a lesson”. The situation escalated to full scale riots which calmed down only in the second half of January 1993.
^ its really a challenge to make him(reza) understand this.**** he draws u into the blame game.for us whoever gets killed in roits is indian citizen,innocent humans.but this guy is too partisian and tries to make u one.
he is the self made saviour of indian muslims.....**** look ......now im becoming partisian,
Even that summary of the whole report, shows who the real culprits are.
The Srikrishna Commission, while unsparing of acts of violence by Muslims and Hindus, clearly identified and blamed right wing Hindu groups for their preplanned targeting of Muslim life and property in Mumbai. It also indicted the Maharashtra state government for its confused response to the violence and sections of the police for their inaction and even active participation in it.
The last sentance is patricularly pertinent, especially it once again asserts that Hindu extremist authortities took an active part in massacring Muslims. Let us not forget who started all the violent protests in the first protests by bringing down Babri Masjid?
On a serious note Reza, riots are started by fanatical religious leaders on both sides. Remeber that the Gujarat riots started as a retaliation to Godhra whre a whole train with women and children was burnt. Do you know that the crime is maximum in Muslim areas, this is whrever you go, Jamia University is one such place in Delhi. Where do the Muslims get their AK 47's from? Why don't Parsis, Chritians and Sikhs have such problems? Why is it that Musllims are not represented in the Armed forces, Police and Civil services? Number one is Education. Like everywhre else Indian Muslims too prefer to send their kids to the Madrasas not degree colleges. By reciting the Quran one doesnot become fit for even a claerical job.
Have a look at the Bohri community in Mumbai. They are educated and they do well in business and get jobs as well. Their community also treats women well. Al ot of Muslim youth carry their arrogance of Mughal era rulers with them. Some idiots even have the cheek to tell us Hindus to stop worshipping idols. They openly say they want India to be a Dar Ul Islam. Hindus naturally retaliate. You see Hindus are not made of rubber,thay too have feelings. Jab baat zayada aagey bard jaati hai to tabhi retaliation hoti hai.
By the way just wanted to know what you think of Irfan Pathan, who emerged as a leading test bowler just after the riots in Baroda. he is the son of a Muzzein. he is free to pray, follow his own relgion. He, Kaif and Khan are the three Muslim palyers in India. Do you see any problem with them. I don't .
But Reza will never tell us why Muslims prefer violence? It is a common factor that Muslims started violence in Mumbai dt 7th December 1992. What to do if Hindus in Mumbai are organized unlike in Bihar and UP where Muslims lead the riots against Hindus.
When on 7 December some ‘Muslim groups in Mumbai protested violently’ against the demolition, right wing Hindu groups, and in particular the Shiv Sena, used the situation to mobilise the Hindus to “teach Muslims a lesson”. The situation escalated to full scale riots which calmed down only in the second half of January 1993.
In fact it has been found that the Godhra train fire probaly started accidently from inside, not outside, and Hindu fanatics have been trying to pin this blame on Muslims. But I see you are also trying to justify the STATE sponsored burning, rape and slaughter of Muslims in Gujrat which has no parallel, in recent Indian history. The rest of your rant against Muslims also shows up this hatred for them, while at the same time denying what happened to them. As for why don’t Parsis, Chritians and Sikhs have such problems? How many tens of thousands of Sikhs were killed by the Indian state throughout the 1980’s? What about the Christians that have been targeted and actually murdered in recent years by Hindu fanatics, probably with state sanction. Now are you going to say those people were starting trouble as well, and thus deserved it?
The Sikh insurgency was Pak sponsored with as much involvement from the Indian state(in terms of ignoring problems). Now it is weel and truely over. Only one Christian namely Gram Steins was murdered some 6 years back. His kiiler was hunted down and a sentence has been passed.
Just remember one thig. There is no gaurantee that the state machinery will not err. Run by humans who have their own prejudices this will happen. The media plays an important role here, in bringing such issues to hte fore, not letting the public forget things and the state accountable. By no means am I saying that the state is perfect, nowhere is it perfect. But I say that there is a cuase and effect, always. To look the other way is to keep increasing the malaise. What I state are facts. Try to read them unemotinally. Keeping on repeating anti-India rehtoric will not help. Ours is land of peace, harmony and love. Most religions have come from here. Indians cannot be by nature fanatics. Tolerance is in our nature. But that doesnot mean Indians are idiots.
Yes, blame Pakistan again, as if the proud Sikh nation is so easy to manipulate, especially considering the wounds of partition. Pathetic justification for the subsequent slaughter of all those Sikhs by the India forces. If Staines was just a one off case (whose culprit had his sentance reduced I believe?), then why are Christians still being attacked in India? As for reading things without emotions, how do you expect that after the absolute horror of what happened to Muslims in Gujrat? Even I cannot bring myself to post the terrible details of what happened to Muslim women and children in Gujrat, which has absolutely no parallels. Believe me if that had happened to Hindu’s or any other non-Muslims I would not be making any excuses, justifications or otherwise. What happened to Muslims in Gujrat, especially the women can never be excuse or forgotten.
Sikh soldiers were used in the Indian army’s operation against the Sikhs of Punjab were they not? Many deserted when they were asked to storm their holiest shrine at Amritsar as well, when Sikhs were slaughtered wantonly by the Indian army. Does it change the fact that tens of thousands of Sikhs were killed by the Indian state? Just as Sonia being the ruling party leader does not stop the continued attacks against Christians in India. Posting Muslim-hate articles written by Muslim haters from Muslim-hate sites only proves my point that you people are in deep denial over the Nazi-like slaughter of Muslims in Gujrat, and will use any diversions to stop facing upto the reality of what happened. What happened to Muslims in Gujrat, has never happened before to anyone on that scale and with such horror, especially against the women.
So Reza cannot stand arguments as Muslims started violence in Mumbai, hence he changes the tune to Sikhs and Christians.
Now he will pick up shattered incidents to prove how bad the Hindus are, but I think that any violence against Sikhs and Christians in India is nothing in comparison to Shia-Sunni violence or violence against minorities in any Islamic State, especially in Pakistan. Can we talk of religio-ethnic cleansing?
It is not a fact. It is a myth created by anti-Hindu semi-educated and so-called amnesty media.
The fateful train at Godhra was surrounded by Muslim mob. Let any one tell us that this Muslim mob was there to help the Hindu victims under fire in the boggy.
The complete boggy was under fire in just 5-6 minutes. This is possible only if petrol is used. So Reza has to tell us if any one from mob entered the boggy with a petrol cane or the passengers were carrying petrol for cooking.
People should always read reports they post, in full.
The Srikrishna Commission, while unsparing of acts of violence by Muslims and Hindus, clearly identified and blamed right wing Hindu groups for their preplanned targeting of Muslim life and property in Mumbai. It also indicted the Maharashtra state government for its confused response to the violence and sections of the police for their inaction and even active participation in it.
