Remembering Bugti - Tribal chief or a teddy bear?

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How should one remember Bugti?

Q1. Was he a ruthless tribal chief or a savior of Baloch people?
Q2. Was he feudal sardar going bonkers or a visionary form Balochistan?
Q3. Was he a champion of education of Balochi youth, or a medieval king wanna be?

I guess the answer lies somewhere in between the two extremes. At one point he was Islamabad’s main “Go To” guy. Then things turned sour and his death came about in really shameful circumstances.

But the point of this post is not to delve into Bugti vs. Musharraf debate. Nuf said on that topic already.

What we must explore is the set of Bugti’s true contributions towards Balochistan. One can name some, and more could be added later.

For example. Was Bugti at the forefront of infrastructure development, education, and commerce? Did he ever try to move funds for developing motorways in his region? Did he ever try to set up Bugti system of modern schools and colleges? The short answer to these questions seems to be no!

Bugti did not acquire and donate land for modern universities. He did not carry the flag of primary and high schools system for Balochistan.

Is this the destiny of Pakistan to vouch for “good-for-nothing” leaders? Are we doomed to have fascist absconders like BB, NS, or Altaf.

Coming back to the topic.** Let’s remember and recall positive contributions of Bugti.
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Peace!

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I couldnt find a single positive contributions but still half of the
Province went on a strike on his death anniversary. Journalists weren’t allowed to visit his grave . Strange innit ?

Unless or until we take our people out of that typical tribal mentality, where chief of the tribe is more or less an Avtar of God to them, we cant excel .

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99% of Baloch view him as a hero and Pakistan, especially Punjabis, as occupiers. You can argue about who or what is to blame, but this is the reality and will never change unless they are given rights.

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But here they should also understand that they got culprits among them , their very own tribal lords . They are one , who never want their slaves to go to school , to get job or live outside their area .

If they don’t want to get chance , no body from outside will come and do it for them .

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We have got culprits among ourselves as well. Does it mean we would like to be ruled by Indians?

they want control over their own resources. It is up to them what they do with it.

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yea indeed control over their own resources , how come their own , oh yea it comes out of their land but land belongs to whole nation , isnt it ?

so they can control resources and blackmail government when prosecuted for their ill doings ! same as those lal masjid goons were doing , innit ?

Land and resources belong to whole nation , they should get their fair share , but if one of their tribal lords wants a loin share ! hell no mate .

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If your man , Bhuugti , has an iota of kindness in his heart for his balochi crowd , you wouldn’t see them in this state . He has been governor of that state and still a common balochi is in same misery as he was before partition , they were slave before 1947 and still they are .

Have you ever met a celebrity?
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what can a governor do for his province when a good number of MNAs can't do something for their city.

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aliyish, what "nation" are you talking about here? There is no such thing in Pakistan, it is the only the establishment, whose power center is Punjab. Bugti may have been the worst criminal in the world, but he was a Baloch leader, just like Nawaz is a Punjabi leader, Bhutto a Sindhi leader. Are they any better than Bugti?

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no they aint and it is Time we should get rid of them . We do lack in choices here , but still i dont understand people willing to give BB and nawaz a third chance .

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lalay , your work speaks for you , dont go far , see that guy Mustafa kamal , atleast he has done somthing for karachi .

Bhuggti was a power hub all of his life , if he wanted , he can make his place something like a modern UAE state . But sadly he was only interested in cuts given by companies working in his area .

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You credit Bugti with too much power. He had power over his own tribe, not power to negotiate with foreign corporations etc.

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i don't think Bhutto was a sindhi leader of his time, all punjab , and other areas had voted him you can call he was leader of west pakistan

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How many universities has arbab ghulam built? If anything he's a much worse politician than bugti. If nothing else bugti was well read and educated. Arbab ghulam on the other hand claims that a woman's rule is manhoos. Should we bomb his lair too?

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ruthless, bonkers, medieval.

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Musharraf gave 4billion Rs to Karachi admin to develop, thats why you see so much work being going on there, do you think Mustafa Kamal fought with the government and obtained all that funding and got the work done?

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Bhuggti was a power hub all of his life , if he wanted , he can make his place something like a modern UAE state . But sadly he was only interested in cuts given by companies working in his area .
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I agree, he was just a whiner, with that money he got for Baluchistan he could've done a lot but he kept complaining instead of picking up his sorry ass and do some work.

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FOL , at least I wasn’t expecting some thing this much daffy coming from your side , mate .

Neither in any of my posts on this topic, I have applauded Bhugtti’s killing nor did I compare him with any other politician, not even with ones from his golden era.

Or did you ever see me praising Arbab Ghulum as a politician; I don’t even hink he should be there, where he is at the moment. But it would fair enough to say that yr man has caused great damage to PPP in their own area. He was specifically appointed for that job and man he did it quite well for his army masters.

I hope you hadn’t bring him in discussion for a reason that he and I belong to same province .

Btw if claiming that a woman’s rule is manhoos to get bombed , what would say about your national leaders like Mufti mehmood , Fazal ul Rehman and Qazi hussain Ahmed , who have recorded stating several times that in Islam , there is no concept of a female ruler . But still , they sit happily in assembly with your one and only female prime minister. Any fatwa for them ?

Now Bhuggti as a well read and educated person , pardon me for my French but today it just seems to be Sunday best . Well educated , my Royal foot!

To me, education doesn’t mean getting high degrees from oxford and Cambridge , it is all about getting yourself in shape of a better human being , treating your men and women equal , giving them the rights , they are born with , using your power in a positive manner , taking it as a responsibility given to you by your lord and to use it in helping people around you . Just a little insight on word Education, Pal.

But if it leaves you in a state where you feel proud and haughty when some one just like you ( same color , race , religion ) kisses your royal feet and you willingly let him treat you as his lord. You aren’t educated, you are in deep shyte.

If this is what education at oxford makes you , I m very much delighted that they didn’t let me in .

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The budget of Karachi is 46 billion (http://www.nation.com.pk/daily/july-2007/1/nationalnews7.php](http://www.nation.com.pk/daily/july-2007/1/nationalnews7.php))
and is more than the budget of whole Balochistan.

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:)

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^^ Mayray bahi , The total population of Balochistan was 9,839, 417 in 2005 , lets make it 10 million for 2007, aright ? now karachi has a population of approx. 18,000,000 in 2007 according to City Govt’s website . Where my fair hunch would be around 20 million .

So does it make sense ? more people need more money ? common sense innit , which is indeed not very much common thesedays :slight_smile:

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