Religious use of Pakistani girls

I always say to the innocent women of Pakistan, beware of religious fanatics who are using us on the name of Islam. These fanatics leaders of Islam, first convince our men on the name of religion that, keep your male dominancy on women because this is the only way for heaven, and our men obey them because this goes in their favor too.
We women already were dealing restrictions from dozens of religious leaders or organizations but if you take a close look, then you will see that these kinds of religious leaders are increasing in numbers. We have **Qazi Hussain , Maulana Fazlur Rehman, Maulana Fazlulah **and many more;

Now we have new arrival: Imam of “Lal Masjid” **Abdul Aziz **of Islamabad. He is spreading his Taliban kind of Islam, where he’s using girl students of “Jamia Hafsa Madressah (Islamic School)” who are under the full influence of Imam’s teachings, because these are the young girls whose parents think, if their kids will learn Taliban kind of Islam then they’ll go to heaven. These girls don’t have their own thinking or opinions that what’s wrong or right. They are just brain washed. So Abdul Aziz is deciding by his own that whose going to be punished under the Shariah laws.

In recent case Ms Shamim, her daughter, and her daughter-in-law along with her six-month-old baby, were seized from their house in G-6 by the girls of Jamia Hafsa madressah in a raiding party because they thought that Ms Shamim is running prostitution in her house.
Ms Shamim’s son, Kamran Mehdi is a government servant. Ms Shamim was living with her family peacefully but these fanatics made her and her family’s life miserable. Ms Shamim was said to be extremely fearful and under severe mental and psychological stress, because of false suspicions.

Police refused to give her family, protection from these militants, so she decided to leave the city and hide in an unknown place. On the other hand, Abdul Aziz gave, one week time to the government to enforce Shriat (Islamic Law). They said “Otherwise we will take care of everything which is against the Shariah”.

This is certainly an act of terrorism and black mailing to the Government.

So my request for Pakistani women is that, stand up against this kind of Islam and his fanatics, and join my movement “Liberty For Pakistani Women” and spread this message among others who can’t reach my messages,
Together we can change Pakistani women’s future, and make it a liberal, successful and victorious one.

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Great…

I totally support Maulana Abdul Aziz sahib in his endeavour to clean up the filth that emanates from the diseases of society such a prostitution and child kidnapping…

If Mr. Abdul Aziz and his female students is working to eradicate prostitution from Pakistan, then may Allah :swt: give them strength, power and greater fortitude to carry out this noble and lofty mission…

If he can eradicate prostitution from the streets of Lahore, that would be great…

Do you know how many little girls are abducted every year to feed the lusts of mod-Muslim men who visit whores? Thousands…They are sold as cattle and poultry to whorehouses and brothels…

If Maulana Abdul Aziz can eradicate such vices from out midst, we can a safer and securer nation where we wouldn’t have to worry about our daughters and sisters being kidnapped…

in the absence of any in initiative from the government to eradicate this disease from society, we must appreciate, laud and support Maulana Abdul Aziz to take on the ills of society by himself…

Mod-Muslims being mod-Muslims will be aggravated by this statement of mine and they will cite vigilante justice and this and that…

However, they are also the first ones to cite how religious people don’t do enough to eradicate the problems of society…

It’s because mod-Muslims see what they don’t agree with with but fail to appreciate what good is being done…Not only are they ignorant about the faith they claim to follow but are ignorant about the good that those do who are not…Their only mission is to act on the commands of their programming, the western media and carry out their lives hindering religion and its adherents like programmed robots and stop them from creating and establishing a just and Islamic society…

They think they are doing great good by impeding the good the truly good people do by the same ploy the US uses to kill millions around the world…For peace, liberty and justice…

How well they are programmed and how little they learn, unless it comes from the western media…

:maulana: <--------This smilie is a result of the same indoctrination and is proof that no matter how much educated, smart and wise a mod-Muslim may profess to be, the higher the level of his ignorance to stereotype, malign and typecast the religious Muslims becomes based on western media…

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You have right to say what you feel is right no more no less.

And what will be the next step; burn the banks because the deal in interest. Or start abducting women who don’t do hijab?

Why he cannot join police and change the police department legally? O well that way he cannot hide behind ninjas.

I missed the news where they abducted the male whore visitors.

Noble thought but I wish he would have done it legally.

What more are you ready to applaud if tomorrow this same ninjas start;
abducting the non hijabans.
killing the non hijabans.
burning the banks.
torching the TV stations.
ruining the co ed schools.
simply when will you say boy it got really out of hands.

There are only two ways of doing things right way and wrong way, unfortunately the way these so called muslims has escalated their version of Islamisation, none of the major scholars agree to them. So it’s not only mod muslims it’s also the Aalims who are against it.

I cite only one thing before cleaning out the mess in the world they better bring their own house in order.

If it brings peace and harmony so be it amen.

I fail to see what US has to do with it.

Go watch Aljazeera english they are also talking against this act.

Truth hurts.

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Absolutely...

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And what will be the next step; burn the banks because the deal in interest. Or start abducting women who don't do hijab?

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Banks are not a social disease...Banks do not harm hence no Muslim considers them a threat...Any Muslim with a hint of Islamic knowledge knows that...

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Why he cannot join police and change the police department legally? O well that way he cannot hide behind ninjas.

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When a scholar does nothing, mod-Muslims feel pissed that he does nothing...When he does, they again become pissed...First, let's get rid of the pissy behaviour and see where the problem lies...

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I missed the news where they abducted the male whore visitors.
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In case of a drug addict, would you put a drug addict in jail or the one who supplies it?

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Noble thought but I wish he would have done it legally.
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In a nation where everything can be bought and the law itself is the biggest culprit, do you think the term 'legal' applies?

But since you derive your sense of right or wrong from the west, let us use that as an example: Do you know that in the US, if you see a crime happen you can arrest the perpetrator or even kill him? It's called citizen's arrest and citizen's initiative...

That should suffice it for you to judge and weigh the actions of Muslims...

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What more are you ready to applaud if tomorrow this same ninjas start;
abducting the non hijabans.
killing the non hijabans.
burning the banks.
torching the TV stations.
ruining the co ed schools.
simply when will you say boy it got really out of hands.

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All of these things are personal choices...No Muslim will burn, kill, destroy or do any of the above because they simply aren't social evils...Any Muslim with a trace of Islamic knowledge knows that...

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There are only two ways of doing things right way and wrong way, unfortunately the way these so called muslims has escalated their version of Islamisation, none of the major scholars agree to them. So it's not only mod muslims it's also the Aalims who are against it.
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Perhaps you can bring me a verdict from an Aalim who was against this act...

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I cite only one thing before cleaning out the mess in the world they better bring their own house in order.
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Right...For that, you need initiative and this is exactly what Mr. Abdul Aziz did...Kudos to him...

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If it brings peace and harmony so be it amen.
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Yes...Peace and harmony is achieved in the absence of social ills...

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I fail to see what US has to do with it.
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I used the US as an example, not part of what I was saying...

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Go watch Aljazeera english they are also talking against this act.
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I don't have AJ English, perhaps you can lonk me to the story...

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Truth hurts.
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Especially when it's in reality a lie, just like the 'Islam was spread by the sword' argument and 'all Muslims are terrorists'...

You can't fight ignorance but you can only hope to achieve some semblance of knowledge...

But to the hardcore ignorant, that lie will always resound like the truth from which to build his hate upon...

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Without men who abuse women, there would be no need for prostitution. Don't damn the women, damn the men who force them into these situations. Nothing is accomplished through false accusations. If you start to view all women as being hypersexual then you will degrade them and view them all with suspicion. These men have no concept of sociology or psychology. I however, do. And as such, those actions taken on part of men who seek to "erradicate," these "social ills," through violence, only perpetuate it. Light bearer is correct. These vigilianties who attempt to justify their actions through ANY means, almost consistently fall down the slippery slope and end up becoming worse than what they were supposedly trying to stop. Hyperactive: "All of these things are personal choices...No Muslim will burn, kill, destroy or do any of the above because they simply aren't social evils...Any Muslim with a trace of Islamic knowledge knows that..." That's a fallacy. You keep talking about how "any Muslim with a shred of Islamic knowledge,etc," which can be applicable to those who abuse their perceptions of the religion. The religious police in Saudi Arabia stopped a group of girls without their abayas on from flee'ing a school that was on fire. They all died. Why? Because the police felt that an uncovered woman was a social ill. Don't excuse those with lofty self images or no respect for the rights of others, it never ends well.

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Mrs.Abeer Khan, you have my support! The women from our subcontinent (muslim, or any other religion) are usually supressed and discriminated against... it is worse for muslim women but it exists with hindu and sikh women too..

I've been to your website and I will be getting in touch with you shortly to discuss ways to improve your campaign...

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I agree with you, good post =)
Also salute students of Jamia Hafsa =)

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because these all are gifts of yours...who burn the widow with her husband chitta (satti) and compelled her to remain in white sari for the whole of her life as a "manhoos" woman..not allowed to go to marriages or any other enjoyment place.....

if you do not know what rights islam give to woman ...plz..do not speak about that or atleast do not compare your sub-contininents pseudo norms with the islam ........

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and to abeer-khan...i will not talk about whether these girls did right or wrong...i will just ask...how much money do you take montly from USA or any other West NGO to spread"freedom" for women in Pakistn...because i see also such "freedom" organizations in Pakistan too like "Dastak" of Asma Jhangirwhose main purpose is to have a relationship between a woman who runs from her house with some boy....housed in gulberg Lahore...and famous for this ...worldly....!!!!!

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Hyperactive: very nice replies.
Vedic_Intellect: good good, she needs your support.
Light bearer; truth hurts
dawa-i-dil; nice reply
abeer khan: you're such a hate monger

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dawa_i_dil, I'm not hindu.. so your hindu disses don't bother me at all..
i dint say women dont have enuff rights in islam, i said muslim women from the subcontinent r usually discriminated against, they are 2 different things.. who cares whaat the real islam says when the real islam is not folllowed? there r so many muslim women who r treated like **** and they need to be supported.. that has nothing to do with what rights islam gives to women.. open your damn eyes boy.. honour killings.. lack of education... our women are just not treated right :( if your realll islam (as u say) offers great treatement of women, then please implement it:( bcoz they need it.. as for hindu women... sati is not practiced in 99% parts of india today.. even back in the day.. it was a culture thing, a product of retardedness i guess.. no hindu scriptures tells you to burn a wife after her hubby dies.. no originall religion wants to treat women bad.. its only curropted societies that do that... and its worse then they use religion to justify it.. (taliban etc)

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Who cares what hinduism says . you're not a hindu I guess.

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^^ yeah im not, didnt you read my post? wth?
i said wht i said to tell mr.dawaidil that the problem of sati is not prescribed by hindu scriptures..

i think i'm going to stop replying to your unintelligent remarks..

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As we are trying to tell you that problem of muslim women's miserablity is not bcoz of Islam.

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^^ when did i say it was because of Islam? please quote my remark where I have said that..
I just said that muslim women are treated badly and hence they shud b supported and helped... you just WANT to contradict me no matter what...

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the only thing that will make a difference is their education and brought up

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whenever ethics and respect is ignored

injustice happens

cruelty of sex crimes cannot be looked over

the culprits must be punished always

and badly

also, such evil people cannot run form their own conscience and eventually they get what they deserve - an illness, or a loss through something like this happening to their ownselves.

societal blame on the victims has to be eliminated and good men must come forward and finish the bad ones.

only then, this disgusting condition will change.

finally, women must gain independence and adopt noble professions, to rely on no one but themselves and they need a strong support group to shame the b a s t a r d s who robbed these women of their dignity.

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Good for them...Pakistani girls should be liberated from the brothels of moderate enlighenment and egregious secular liberalism...They should be made to feel included in the political and social aspect of the society and relieved from whoring it up in order not to conform to the western notion of a liberated women being those who are allowed to bear it all and confined to male sexual pleasures....

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Extreme patriarchy allows for a slippery slope into viewing women as chattel. Cultures that place the honor of the family on the woman, and hold such a misconception that honor lies between the legs, then women will always be oppressed. Women are trampled upon, yet they supposedly harbor the honor and cause the worst shame on the family. Women are not allotted their true status. It's time we all do our part in reconditioning society (and I mean every society), into being true feminists.

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That place between the legs is where the future generations of a family come from...If it is allowed to be used by every Tom, Dick and Harry then the honour and respect of a woman will be no more than a Coke vending machine...Everyone can use her to satisfy their lusts and there goes the status of the woman down the proverbial drain...

Western influenced girls and its perception of 'freedom' is just that...A sex vending machine...If not a sex vending machine then at least like a mannequin in a store window for display...

It's strange how so many women wish to become as honoured as a vending machine or a store display...

Might be Ok to you, but never to a true Muslim that ladies of his household be viewed as objects to fulfil certain desires...They are much too cherished for that sort of 'freedom'...