Religious Perversion by a Preacher pedophilie marriage

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Salam Alaikum,

Don't hold your breath bro! They never have straight answers, usually tangent replies and just more garbage that's a result of ignorance and lack of knowledge about the faith, its' pillars and its' practices.

One of 'em calls people who pray 5 times 'head-bangers' and the other one believes this nature created itself and then figured a way to create perfectly proportioned creations like Human beings.

So..yeah...

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Peace Seminole

No one is judging Christianity by this topic. They are merely allowing it to exist in the religion forum. Likewise when Muslims argue that Islam should not be judged by the individuals they are making a claim based on the precepts of Islam. If Uberallas is saying Christianity should be judged by the actions of this man that is one thing, if she is saying that all religion should be judged by the actions of this man that quite another. Us Muslims not only have to show how her premise is mistaken but also defend Christianity and Islam in the process, but at the same time let this man be seen as what he is ... exploiter and fornicator.

1) There was no marriage contract when the sexual contact began ... that already makes this man's case different to a Muslim man marrying a much younger woman.

2) She was not menstruating at the time of the sexual interaction .... that again negates the argument of age, as Islam does not draw a criteria for age but distinguishes a child from a woman based on her menses.

This is a vile attempt to draw parallels between a halal marriage to a perverted mans actions. The women when they enter a marriage should know what it entails, that is the practice of Islam.

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psyah, she was 10 years old for crying out loud. I don't care what his reilgion is, if she was menstruating or if they had a contract. This man is a pervert, no matter what moral or religious system you want to judge him by.

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Peace Seminole

Your emphatic statement contradicts many moral and religious systems, which do not base their criteria of perversion on number of years of age, rather there are other moral and religious systems that class perversion in a different manner. Your sweeping statement is fundamental to your approach in life which is that you have given the 'norms' of today absolute dominion for the criteria of right and wrong. Your last sentence is therefore wrong and you know it.

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Female mutilation, foot binding, honor killings, stoning, not educating girls, human sacrfices, etc are other examples of what is considered normal in certain moral, cultural or religious systems. So I am wrong to say "no matter what moral or religious system you want to judge him by". I am sorry for the sweeping statement which is obviously not true as marrying children is accepted in some socieities (or fringes of society).

So I correct my statement by saying, "this man is a pervert, and whatever moral, religious or cultural code he based his actions is in serious need of revision".

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Peace Seminole

Female mutilation is never considered normal in any society because it is mutilation. And all of the things you have mentioned above there is not one that you have mentioned that is an acceptable religious practice according to the dictates of a religion.

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Sorry psyah, but your'e wrong on both counts. Female mutilation is still a prevalent custom in some African countries. Secondly, most of those practices do have their roots in the interpretation of a religion. But regardless of their orgin, they are still barbaric practices.

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Peace Seminole

I am not arguing whether or not they are barbaric. I am saying that no one believes in 'female mutilation' there is a difference in what I am saying to what you understand. I am saying that no one says "we mutilate our women" they will give a different word for that activity. Whether or not it is barbaric needs to be determined why ... it is already established that majority opinion is not the criteria for right or wrong. Because you are saying regardless of what norms certain cultures and religions say such and such IS barbaric. How on Earth do you know and what makes your opinion more valid than anyone who is opposing your view?

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I suppose for the same reasons you believe your opinoins regarding religion are more valid than others with opposing views.

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Semi, can you define by what criteria a child is a child? There is no universal criteria for many things and marriage is one of them. You cannot assume absolute correctness of your opinions over that of others especially when they are not subject to the same lifestyle and society that you base your opinions on.

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There will always be exceptions, but a girl who has not experienced more than 10 years on this earth is not ready to commit herself to a life long relationship with an older man who DOES have experience and knowledge - hopefully enough that he will choose an adult to spend the rest of his life with.

A 10 year old doesn't know what she wants out of life and is not able to make the decision of what and with whom to do the rest of her life. Humans aren't like animals - they take many, many years to fully develop. Not just physicially, but their likes, dislikes, emotional, psychologicay and spiritual development.

And why in the world would a man want to marry a girl who he doesn't even know? Heck, he can't, she doesn't know herself at 10 years old. If she doesn't have guardians and he is concerned about her well being, why wouldn't he adopt her instead of marry her? Unless he wants a slave for his whole life and not just the time it takes her to grow up and move out.

Now where is the line drawn at what is a child? I'm not sure that can be universally applied, but it sure isn't at 10 years old.

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Peace Seminole

How about 11 years old or 12 or 13 years?

Or I know .... how about when they start their menses? Or even better perhaps that they have been menstruating for at least one year. That would give them time to understand their hormones. According to the rule of thumb in Islam. Half or so of our responsibilities fall upon us when we are 7, some come in when we become physically mature and the rest postage and packaging are more or less complete by the age of 14, greater or fewer responsibilities are governed by marriage status.

A mature girl who has the conscious mind powerful and decisive enough to make the decision of leaving her parents home and joining another in his home is a mature girl who is also mentally capable of making the choice to marry and have sexual relations.

The girl who is afraid of leaving her parents home and does not want to live in another mans home will never agree to marriage, whereby Islamically no one can touch her sexually either. There comes a point in a girls life where she will not just be accepting of leaving the nest, but quite desire the option of it. The comparison being made by assaults on the incapable girls as compared to marriages by similar aged girls who are powerful enough to decide for marriage is a deceptive one.

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psyah, if you find it normal for a grown man to marry a little girl, then bully for you. Most people find it repugnant. I personally find it gross and don't have respect for a man who decides to marry a child rather than adopt her. As I've asked... what exactly does a man get out of this marriage except satisfying a perverse urge for sex with a child and a slave for the rest of his life? The majority of people today consider sex with children to be a heinous crime.

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The question is, why do they find it repugnent if it was normative in the past? Obsolete...fine...possibly harmful with respect to missing out on education, etc....but if in a society formal education ends when you're like...5...then what?

And by the same token, most people consider the sexual mores in Western countries barbaric, and anamalistic...

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^ If a society's formal education ends at 5, then they need change it. How can they ever get out of the cycle of ignorance if their people aren't educated and they're marrying off their girls to add to to the masses of the uneducated?

I agree that sexual mores in the west can be considered repugnant. I'm not claiming their is a perfect society. There are a lot of moral norms from some uneducated societies that could be applied to western societies to their benefit.

Societies in the past used to have human sacrifices too. Obsolete, thank God, but does it make it any less repugnant?

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Shrugs...I just think emoting on this issue is worthless...obviously I think a socieety where formal education is nominal needs to change...but I don't think that they are in such a state as being repugnant...nor would I dare to suggest that people who are only educated to that level are somehow deviant...it just is what it is...

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Well, I do not know what you people get out of bringing up same arguments over and over again without providing any solid evidence to back it up and ignoring other people's questions. My questions have been ignored for weeks now and every 2nd person comes to the topic and start talking about same thing over and over again.


Why do most people find it repugnant? Why do you think it is gross? Who defines such morality? Why following the law of nature is wrong? What evidence do you have that a man only marries a young woman (girl is not an appropriate word because according to the law of nature you become adult once you hit puberty) for purpose of fulfilling his lust? You are presenting arbitrary claims without any logical explanation and evidences. Remember that burden of proof lies on you and also proving your point from couple of cases does not make it true for all the cases and therefore logically it is not acceptable.

The emphasized part of your post well fall under logical fallacies, for example,

Appeal to Belief: Most people believe that X is true therefore X is true. Just because many people in general believe that X is true does not serve as an evidence to prove that X is true.

SCIENCE QUIZMASTERS GAME!!!!
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uberalles , interesting thread you started. i wholeheartedly agree with the fact the practice of little girls being married off to adults is pedophilia to spin it otherwise is agregiously ignorant to the welfare of a child. little girls who may have their periods simply mean their bodies have matured but it take many years for a little girls mind to develop into that of an intelligent and confident and self reliant woman. A little girl should be going to school, playing with friends and dreaming about what they want to be when they grow up.

Little girls are not fully aware or prepared for the trials and tribulations of adulthood nor should these burdens be placed on a child's back that's why mature people are called parents and/or adults.

I understand and have read that Long ago such practices were acceptable but today they have no place in society specifically in a society evolving into the next century. .

Most importantly, no matter the faith it always appears there is an overwhelming inequality between the sexes and of naturally the first casualty is human right's .

Side note to seminole: totally agree with you also on this issue and those who offer contras or challenges to refute your logical opine scare me. not on my street. eye wide ;0.

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A society without pursuit of education advancement is deviant , barbaric and retarded and automatically impoverished , dominated, and enslaved . Most of the prison population is filled with illiterates and ignorant with average to below average education.

Education gives a person a chance for a prosperous future in society not religion,

*Most importantly education benefits society itself over anything else. *

Whether the doctor is religious or atheist if she saved your life it was solely due to her having an education.

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turnover this case...what if a 45 year old women wants to marry a 11 year old boy?

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