Religious Perversion by a Preacher pedophilie marriage

This is a preverse practice to marry a little girl to an old man.

By Jonathan Montpetit, The Canadian Press

MONTREAL - A preteen girl was clueless during years of sexual abuse by the leader of a fringe Christian church that he had claimed her as his wife, a Quebec court heard Thursday.

Now 18, the alleged victim testified she was too young at the time to understand Daniel Cormier’s designs for a married life together.

“He said that I was his wife,” said the woman, who cannot be identified. “At the time it didn’t click. It went in one ear and out the other.”

She later added that she “didn’t really understand what (Cormier) meant” when he talked of marriage or engagement.

The Crown produced a paper, signed by Cormier’s right-hand man at the now-defunct Church of Downtown Montreal, that stated the couple was married on her 10th birthday.

But all she remembers of that birthday in 1999 was a trip to the Granby Zoo.

“I do not consider myself his wife,” she said, fidgeting with a pair of sunglasses. “I don’t consider myself married in any way.”

Cormier, 39 years her senior, stands accused of a variety of sex-related crimes, including sexual exploitation and sexual assault. He is also charged with sexually exploiting another girl, aged 16.

He denies the allegations regarding the 16-year-old, but says the marriage gave him the right to have sex with the witness who testified Thursday.

“He already considered us married,” she said. “But he said we were going to get legally married when I was 16.”

Last week, the woman’s mother - an ex-drug addict and prostitute - told the court that Cormier helped take care of her family when they moved to Montreal in 1993.

The alleged victim acknowledged she originally thought Cormier was a “nice person” who bought her clothes and gave her money.

She testified Thursday that Cormier began touching her when she was around nine years old.

“After a while he started touching more,” she said.

“He tried putting his penis inside me but never for very long. After a while he would start going for longer.”

While she couldn’t recall exactly how old she was during the alleged incidents, she indicated it was well before she started menstruating.

The woman refuses to appear in the same courtroom as Cormier and she testified via video link from an adjacent room, her eyes often averting the lawyers in the room.
The arrangement has been the object of much debate during the proceedings, which have dragged on for five years.
Cormier is defending himself but so far has been barred from cross-examining this witness.
He turned down an offer to submit a list of questions to a court-appointed lawyer.
“A cross-examination can’t limit itself to a prepared list of questions,” said Cormier, who since his arrest in 2003 has been taking law courses at a Montreal university.
“It can’t simply be the work of a parrot.”
Quebec court Judge Sylvie Durand will rule Friday on how the cross-examination will proceed.

Copyright © 2008 Canadian Press
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Re: Religious Perversion by a Preacher pedophilie marriage

What has this got to do with religion?

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Incase you missed the opening lines:

.. sexual abuse by the leader of a fringe Christian church that he had claimed her as his wife ...

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In case you didn't read the entire article, this has got nothing to do with Christianity, not has he justified his actions in the name of religion.. The pervert happens to be a leader of Christian church.

Please do use your commonsense.

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It may not have anything to do with christian religion but i posted it as counter to many islamic communities who seem to think it is permissible and perfectly acceptable for a 10 year old little girls to be married off to much older men. So the point is , it wrong , wrong, wrong as little girls truly don't know all the ramifications of life like adults have come to know it. ** It's pedophilic by any decent society standards even by the enlightened pious. **

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Yes, it's completely wrong, even if it was done by the Apostle of allah. YOU know muslims justify child marriage because Mohammad did it.

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Ummm, I also expected a lot more responses condemning the ghastly behaviour of the 'godly' man who would do this to a little girl.

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uberalles, i'm still waiting for the answers to the questions I asked you in the another thread. So stop ranting your nonsense and give us some logical answers. Maybe, your fellow friend ummm will be able to help you. So why do not you work together, we may see some intelligent arguments from you two, not that I expect any.

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how can you expect that dear uber? wouldn't condemning this pervert also make mohammad condemnable? I think they(muslims who are the majority here) do get repulsed by this, but the all powerful religious dogma shus them up.

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It seems there are people in this world who have hard time understanding simplest of things; so let me ask the same questions which i asked in another thread and they were completely ignored!

** How do you define childhood and who defines it? Why are there differences among countries on deciding adulthood age--varies from 12-18? If 45 years old man/women marries a 20 years old female/male, is he/she a paedophilia? Why or Why not? **

Just for your benefit here is the definition of paedophilia

The definition of paedophilia

"a person, especially a man, who is sexually interested in children" (Cambridge International Dictionary)
"The act or fantasy on the part of an adult of engaging in sexual activity with a child or children" (The American Heritage Dictionary)

Please do not rant nonsense about Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) and answer my questions, thank you!

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Then ask your questions in the same thread. Please don't bring your illogical ramblings to this thread. BTW, argumentum ad personam.

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that thread was locked and this thread is also talking about the same issue. Even if we were to assume that I'm off topic then again you are forgetting one fact that you are the one who went off topic first along with your little friend here. So try to fool someone else! Also, when did I attack her personally and claim that her arguments are wrong? I am attacking her illogical arguments. so please study logical fallacies carefully.

So failing to answer me logically becomes rambling on my part, bravo!

anyway, i'm out; it is really late here, got to get some sleep! see ya around ummm.

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OKay, I'll take the bait.

That's one story.

Read the Hadith. If indeed Aisha (ra) was married at such a young age, she seemed to have only fond memories of the Prophet (pbuh), and her marriage to him. Deal with it. How do you, oh master of all that is enlightened, reconcile the difference? And oh you're damn straight this is a question you NEED to answer to be taken seriously.

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Salam bhai,

Dont expect answers from these people when iasked about logic. Because the consider themselves to be the best logical guys on the face of earth. So just enjoy and watch, when Islam is spreading at there backyards.

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^Wa'alykum As-Salam bhai

Islam will prevail by the will of Almighty Lord, Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala, and no matter what people do they can't wing against Him! I know what you are saying but I just can't sit back and let them rant about same thing over and over again when they ignore our questions, smoke nonsense and act like they are scholars or something or Islam has done the worst thing possible to them despite the fact that these ignorants do not know that they have become slaves of their western countries which they praise so much.

ummm and uberalls, I am still waiting for answers to my questions for a week now! Please show me that you can produce decent logical rebuttals.

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Salaam Brother!

Welcome back on GS. Have you got married yet? (you mentioned that you're getting married soon).
Fiamanillah

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The title says "RELIGIOUS PERVERSION" and the main actor is a preacher, more than enough reason to end up here. Just like being muslim puts Islam on the trial in your books so does being a preacher of another religion put its religion on trial over here. Tit for tat. Now buzz off. Take a break from your miserable life.

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The poster's title was "religious perversion". No where in the article did it say that these are religious beliefs or based on religious justificiations.

So by accepting this logic, we are saying to others to please continue judging Islam based on the actions of individuals?

Let's face it, pedophilia is not limited to any religion, race or people.

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As if you have changed your judgements in the many years you have been posting here and all your research. Comon Semi, lets have a bit of honesty in your post before you accuse us of inviting Islam bashing.

Yes genuine Pedophiles are not limited to any race, religion or people and neither is this forum limited to just Islam as a religion.

So lets get over the misplacement or placement of this thread and if there is something to be said about the original topic, then have at it. Instead of wasting time in ridiculous thread placement details why not contribute to the topic. Enough tangents. Lets stick to the topic of the thread.

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Actually my opinions and judgments have changed greatly over the past 6 years. Either way, if you want to say this is a religious topic, please, no more moaning and complaining about how Islam is unfairly associated with the nut cases calling themselves Muslim. If this man said he had religious justification or scriptue to justify his heinous acts, you'd have a point, but I don't see it.

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So lets get over the misplacement or placement of this thread and if there is something to be said about the original topic, then have at it. Instead of wasting time in ridiculous thread placement details why not contribute to the topic. Enough tangents. Lets stick to the topic of the thread.
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So what is the topic? That some men are perverts and take advantage of children? BTW, I haven't noticed you contributing to the topic.

I already said what I had to say - pedophilia is not limited to any one group, including the crazy man mentioned in the article.