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I wish these Mullas could talk on political issues leaving there accounting with God concepts. if you pray this much nafals you will got this sawaab and all that. If these Mullah have talked of these strategic issues, the situation would have been much different that we are facing today.
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rangoli! Can you please be bit more specific so that people like me can decide to argu further or not
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Ajazali, my post wasnt directed at you. I was refering to post #44, which is now removed.
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ok
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I don’t know how ‘deeprooted’ fundamentalism is but there is one fundamental thing definitely wrong with these molvis, they will automatically believe another ‘molvi’ looking right away regardless of what he does in the background (if he is from their own sect that is) and will regard anything against them as ‘western conspiracy’. They are pretty blindfolded by the beard, by the term ‘tehreek-e-…’, in essence you can fool them easily by claiming you are working for implementation of Islam, you will get fatwa to help/support your cause in no time.
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The apologists out in the open to help their ‘brothers’…
Dunya News: Pakistan:-Attack on Malala is a US conspiracy: DPC …
Addressing a Kashmir conference on Sunday, Maulana said that children who were killed in drones attack should be considered like Malala.
“A great game is being played against Pakistan by India, America and Israel, but we will not let them succeed in their nefarious designs,” he stated.
Addressing the conference Hafiz Saeed said that America and its allies had lost the war in Afghanistan, now it was time to defeat India in Kashmir.
He urged dManmohan Singh to withdraw Indian troops from Kashmir and pave way for holding tripartite dialogue for peaceful settlement of Kashmir dispute.
Sardar Attique Ahmad Khan said Kashmir is a fort for Pakistan and Kashmir liberation movement will never become weak.
Central leader of Jamaat e Islami Dr. Kamal said that Pakistani army should take action against India for liberation of Kashmir.
Sheikh Rashid Ahmad said that US has destroyed the economy of Pakistan and handed over it to the corrupt rulers.
Former DG ISI Hameed Gul said that Pakistan has lost more than one billion dollars in “Pak-Indo trade”.
Aamir Jamaat e Islami Kashmir Maulana Abdul Rashid Tarabi, Aamir Insarul Ummah Pakistan Maulana Fazalur Rehman Khalil and many other important personalities also spoke on the occasion.
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Fazl regrets political point scoring on Malala issue - geo.tv
Molana sb, may I remind you that while an over whelming majority of the people of the country are against drone strikes which has been reflected by various surveys during the past few years, but we have not seen any fatwa (against TTP) from most of the ulema of the country. Ok leave your ‘brothers’ aside for the time being, what is stopping you guys for condemning and issuing fatwa against suicide bombing within the country?
My bad! I should have known, ‘your brothers’ are more important as compared to the 40000 slain by them. Please in the next elections spare us and go to your brothers for votes…
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WhileI don’t know the specifics of this post, I was taken aback by Med being singled out earlier. I have seen this happen in other threads also. Just providing my input. Thank you.
@Med - my apologies if I butted in. I know you are more than capable of defending your position in an open platform.
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[mod]Guys, hold on…no need to be personal!![/mod]
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Hope above warning was not pertaining to me.
Med has been one of the rare progressive voices in this forum. I am hoping I personally will get the chance to continue reading his posts. Have learnt so much from him he brings a level of depth and knowledge that is rare.
Repeated censoring after a while can get frustrating. His is a voice that is unique and makes this forum richer.
Thank you.
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How am I not supposed to take that personally? Someone is telling me I cant talk about my OWN country and my OWN people in one way or another? If I weRE NOT Pakistani, i would understand, but in my case, its self deprecation, attacking myself by extension. Is he a better Pakistani then I to be telling me that i should not “insult” the country i was born in?
If you disagree with what i say, if it so repulsive to you, then debate me. Deleting my post and giving me warning point is to me, nothing more then trying to shut down someones opinion by way of threat and warning. Ironic, that we should be talking about the right to speak our minds on a thread dedicated to Malala Yusufzai.
Suffice it to say, i wont censor myself, even at the risk of being banned. Pakistan has become a neurotic country and insane to boot. The views held by some mullahs is not limited to them, but is a national phenomenon. The fact that someone is censured for saying what al of us are thinking, that Pakistan has become mental, is emblematic of same neurosis that plaques the society as a whole. We as a society can be a mental and deranged as we want to be, BUT you better not cal us that!
Rangoli would like me to be more specific in who is criticize, don’t criticize the entire country. Well that sort of mindset, that is exemplified by this Qazi guy is shared it seems by many many people, this delusion of grand conspiracy.
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No one restricts you to say anything, but that remark of yours was a bit offensive and hence removed. No one has implied anywhere that he is a better Pakistani than you. Without using an insulting tone, the same points can be made effectively in a rational and objective way, keeping your self cool. We do value your input, and try to keep this board as free and as much inclusive as possible.
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There are many things on this forum which are extremely offensive. Just because something is offensive to you is not a reason delete it. If you want to chalenge me on something, then cal me out. People call me out all the time, and i either defend myself, or flop around trying to. But either way, atleast the forum serves it purpose.
I find this mindset offensive, and to censor me for some off had remark is misplaced. Rangoli saab and you aswell should be more concerned with dealing with real offenses.
And I think we as Pakistani i should have a right to call me people whatever I want. We are one family in the end.
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Med, I have always respected your opinion and I can understand where your original point from your first post came from, but the subsequent posts were not needed and if you felt otherwise all it would have taken was a PM from you to me or Sohaib and any misunderstanding would have been ironed out. The fact you’re so passionate about the whole topic shows your love for Pakistan so please try to understand noone would doubt that and noone would have the right to.
If you have anymore issues please feel free to PM me.
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I speak my mind. I dont think I insulted Rangoli in anyway, but I certainly was insulted by the deletion of my post and having been singled out. If I made a private issue into a public one, then I understand, but the issue was made a public one by Rangoli, so I dont see why i should have to make it a private issue when it has already been made public… i was given a infarction point for a minor issue which could have been resolved for more easily, but apparently I got under someone’s skin who has the authority to take people to task.
Suffice to say, its been an unnecessary set of event to have occurred, but a learning experience none the less, and will try not to let it happen again.
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i truly hope that malala case will become a turning point in our recent history…
religious fascists have decided to throw their masks away and come out open…if you can read urdu, read this article from Insar abbasi (link given at the end of the post)…extremely emotional column from him urging young pakistani generation to leave everything and go for jihad against america…this guy is the biggest mouthpiece of taliban…but he used to be a bit more political but now he has decided to come out open…
taliban have also declared a war on media…all major newspapers reported today that TTP commanders have been instructed by their shura to suspend their attacks on Pakistan army and focus on attacking some key media anchors and newspaper offices…
**Qazi Hussain Ahmad ,Munawar hassan, Faz ul rehman **and all other major Muslim parties have openly declared malala an agent and warned the govt not to start any operation in waziristan…
Imran khan and his party have sort of decided to stand with taliban by offering only partial support to malala and by attaching malala incidence with drone attacks… watched over 5 talk shows in last 2 days and on each one of them, PTI used the same tone and logic that Qazi hussain ahmad was using…not to mention that I am a PTI supporter for upcoming elections but lets remain honest …
Nawaz sharif’s party has decided to remain quiet..worst culprit..lanat ha Mian sahib aap par…i have not seen any major statement from him or his leaders except shabaz sharif visiting malala one time…
PPP, ANP and MQM have decided to come out open against Taliban and have taken a very clear stand against them…i have differences with all three parties on many other issues but not on this one … PPP by the way is bul with no clear action plan… idiots like rehman malik are cancer… salute to ANP for standing against taliban for 3 years and for sacrificing more than any aother other party..Altaf was absolutely blunt in today’ speech..so kudos to him as well…
we need to support our army to kill these animals ... so use all of your resources…in whichever way you can…facebook, forums, twitter, go to demonstrations, write in newspapers, make calls…do whatever you can..because religious fascists are doing all of this…
Ansar Abbasi – Kis say mansafi chahen – America sy dosti,Allah sy dushmani - Jang Columns
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It might be good thing… One problem in Pak is that the deranged, the confused, the illiterate, the intellectual, the humane, the logical, they kind of overlap. Even the most sensible people often hold views that leave you in despair for the future. To expunge this bizarre confusion from the psyche of the Pakistanis, they need something to polarize them in such a way as to expose those who support justice and fairness, and those who support barbarism and fanatical bigotry.
When the snakes reveal themselves, its only then that you can go after them.
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Bhai, i knew the comments that you copy pasted. I was just sharing what others are thinking. I dont know any thing yet, have condemned the attack dont know whether taliban have done it or not, will wait for thier official response.
If they have done this then this is really unislamic and fitna on their part.
But as no one start blming liberal for any lunatic attack by some liberal why do we blame religion/religious parties for this.
that is all i can contribute.
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The Taliban have a history of violence and repression and do not follow Islam, that’s why people are quick to blame them.
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No one is blaming religion. We are however blaming the Taliban… The reason. The Taliban already took responsibility for it. If thats not enough to convince you, then I dont know what other proof would ever be enough.
I think even the Taliban are off laughing at such statements. My Grandmother with her dementia was still far more cogent and logical then most of these Mullanahs and “educated” classes in Pak, who still cant figure out that if it smells like a dog and barks like a dog, its probably the Taliban.