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Indeed it is most disappointing to see that there has been no condemnation of this despicable cowardly attack on an innocent girl from a single religious scholar or leader
Their silence proves that deep down they are all Taliban sympathisers or apologists
Infact the whole society is deeply conservative
There is no problem in having a conservative society, but to justify animalistic behaviour is not Islamic in any way IMO.
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yes he said that.... exact words
"meray pass saboot nahieen hain par shawahid hain kay unhi agencies nay malala par hamla kiya hai jo waziristan par hamla karnay kay layee meedan hamwar karna chahti hain"
He didn't have the proofs but still had the galls to level allegations, and most of his followers would believe his words with their eyes closed.
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wow, I dont have proof, but Im still very sure. great!
Its really a shame. What do I conclude from this, that he is a taliban apologists? that he does not want army to launch operation against them, who have killed thousands of innocent Pakistanis. whole of Pakistan knows, talibans have safe havens in NW, and they get their training there and launch attacks against Pakistan and he is siding with these savages? this poisonous mindset will continue to flourish in Pakistan, if we will have people who will be afraid to speak out against taliban and just blame invisible hands for anything which goes wrong in our country. sick of these conspiracies theories!
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wow, I dont have proof, but Im still very sure. great!
Its really a shame. What do I conclude from this, that he is a taliban apologists? that he does not want army to launch operation against them, who have killed thousands of innocent Pakistanis. whole of Pakistan knows, talibans have safe havens in NW, and they get their training there and launch attacks against Pakistan and he is siding with these savages? this poisonous mindset will continue to flourish in Pakistan, if we will have people who will be afraid to speak out against taliban and just blame invisible hands for anything which goes wrong in our country. sick of these conspiracies theories!
we can ignore qazi hussain ahmad but but the problem is that there are thousands of qazi hussain ahmads diapersed all over the country who deliver friday sermons.....i know my statement will not be taken in the right spirit and i will be labeled as ethicist but just imagine how much damage these so called ulemas deliver through friday sermons ...
i said this in another post and repeat it again*...have we ever thought how big of a platform these ulemas and imams have in form of friday sermons? we know that every pakistani mulsim tries to attend the friday prayers....so you can connect the dots and see why public is so confused....ulemas have this great strategic opportunity every week to preach their agendas and induce confusion...*
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Hence sensible people like myself generally ignore Friday sermons or vaaz (as you know you won't learn anything new) and go to the mosque just in time for the khutba and prayers
Besides mullahs should be banned from discussing politics in Friday sermons. It is not their place to talk politics
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after malala incidence i was thinking that ulemas and mullahs have really gone on backfoot this time because no one in electronic media or newspaers was willing to give them any projection...even taliban's biggest supporter insar abbasi was finding it hard to write against malala...
but I also knew our ulemas very well...they don't give up and this incidence was eroding their base....and when friday arrived i suddenly realized how easy it is for mullahs to deliver a punch against malala across the country in one hour.... you dont need any tv, you dont need any newspaper, you dont need any radio.... you have a readily available forum at your disposal and that too in the whole country .... the script was easy...first pray for malala, then call her an idiot who became a tool ..then attack army, then agencies and then USA and that is it...you have successfully confused educated and uneducated masses both...with this theory in mind i started to call my contacts in Pakistan sat morning....and boy i was not disappointed...
what qazi is saying is nothing..what those thousands of mullahs delivered in friday sermons is worst because we can never beat that kind of strategic propaganda...it occurs every week...and no one can dare stopping those mullahs from commenting on political topics...we "liberals"are dead in this propaganda war! a sitting duck baby!!
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if this is really what he has said, Its really pathetic coming from him. Personally, I think Ulemas should really think twice before making such controversial statements.or even better just refrain from making statements on politics, especially when their statements lead to more confusion among people.
Why would army do such a thing, what would they achieve by doing this? awaam ko or gumraah kerna aata hai bes.
Instead of uniting awaam against these savages and condemning this cowardly attack, to come up with such statements without any proof whatsoever is just unacceptable and pathetic.
The problem is that these so-called ulemas are lost themselves, they think the "Taliban (TTP)" are doing jihad, unfortunately they are unable to differentiate right from wrong.
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^ Ayaz Amir hits the nail on the head
Malala Per Hamla Aur Mazhabi Tabqay Ka Moaqaf By Ayaz Amir (Dated: 13 October 2012)
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The statement regarding Obama doesn't make her wajib Ul qatl, secondly as I know the other two statements are being spread by the same people who want to confuse the nation in this matter like the ones before that. There is no justification for the attack on malala, period.
By the way why do some apologists appear to be justifying the act by correlating the attack on her statements, and the same people sometimes want us to believe that she was attacked by Pakistan army or Americans . They should make up their mind, if she was attacked by her bigoted statements they should condemn her and support the attack on her, otherwise support her and condemn the attackers. Both can't go at the same time.
sory to, these are points that merge the interest of supra libaral media and west. Thats is the reason we see a lot thread for malala but not single thread for victoms of drones attack.
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sory to, these are points that merge the interest of supra libaral media and west. Thats is the reason we see a lot thread for malala but not single thread for victoms of drones attack.
When number of drone attacks were on the rise there were many threads, unfortunately now there are so many attacks that its difficult to keep a count, so to reassure again they are not forgotten.
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song dedication to malala and bullets for tribal, you dont see this kind of hipocricy/conspiracy?
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but I also knew our ulemas very well...they don't give up and this incidence was eroding their base....and when friday arrived i suddenly realized how easy it is for mullahs to deliver a punch against malala across the country in one hour.... you dont need any tv, you dont need any newspaper, you dont need any radio.... you have a readily available forum at your disposal and that too in the whole country .... the script was easy...first pray for malala, then call her an idiot who became a tool ..then attack army, then agencies and then USA and that is it...you have successfully confused educated and uneducated masses both...with this theory in mind i started to call my contacts in Pakistan sat morning....and boy i was not disappointed...
This point about Friday sermons being a powerful tool in the hands of fanatics, is really good.
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Ayaz Amir is a very reasonable guy. Really appreciated him when he was discussing this issue with a PTI lady yesterday. He belongs to PMLN but he doesn’t try to justify every action of his party.
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sory to, these are points that merge the interest of supra libaral media and west. Thats is the reason we see a lot thread for malala but not single thread for victoms of drones attack.
Sorry, but I have no problem with the drone attacks. I hope US goes after everyone of these killer including Quazi and mullah diesel.
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This point about Friday sermons being a powerful tool in the hands of fanatics, is really good.
Are mosque subsidize by tax payers money? If yes, tx them. Btw, Pakistan needs China's type solution. Look at how they control muslim region of the country.
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Sorry, but I have no problem with the drone attacks. I hope US goes after everyone of these killer including Quazi and mullah diesel.
I am sure you are extremist one if you think you not, check the definition of extremism.
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we can ignore qazi hussain ahmad but but the problem is that there are thousands of qazi hussain ahmads diapersed all over the country who deliver friday sermons.....i know my statement will not be taken in the right spirit and i will be labeled as ethicist but just imagine how much damage these so called ulemas deliver through friday sermons ...
i said this in another post and repeat it again*...have we ever thought how big of a platform these ulemas and imams have in form of friday sermons? we know that every pakistani mulsim tries to attend the friday prayers....so you can connect the dots and see why public is so confused....ulemas have this great strategic opportunity every week to preach their agendas and induce confusion...*
I think this point is being overstated. Weekly mosque sermons probably play a part but the primary responsibility of educating their children about religion surely falls on the parents' shoulders. That is certainly true in my case. How you practise and think about Islam and view other religions/peoples' POV has much to do with how you have been brought up by your parents. That + thru personal reading and understanding of the religion. Infact I cannot honestly say that I have been impressed by a single masjid maulvi in my entire life.
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sory to, these are points that merge the interest of supra libaral media and west. Thats is the reason we see a lot thread for malala but not single thread for victoms of drones attack.
Sorry drone strikes still dont justify killing of 40000 people. Good try anyways...