Religious extremists in 3 faiths share views:

No wonder the Christan hot heads around me and the one of these forums sound exactly the same.

Religious extremists in 3 faiths share views: report](http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070613/us_nm/security_usa_extremism_dc;_ylt=Aue_0wuMEee.VzaFueKN51Ws0NUE)
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By Claudia ParsonsWed Jun 13, 5:49 PM ET

Violent Muslim, Christian and Jewish extremists invoke the same rhetoric of “good” and “evil” and the best way to fight them is to tackle the problems that drive people to extremism, according to a report obtained by Reuters.

It said extremists from each of the three faiths often have tangible grievances – social, economic or political – but they invoke religion to recruit followers and to justify breaking the law, including killing civilians and members of their own faith.

The report was commissioned by security think tank EastWest Institute ahead of a conference on Thursday in New York titled “Towards a Common Response: New Thinking Against Violent Extremism and Radicalization.” The report will be updated and published after the conference.

The authors compared ideologies, recruitment tactics and responses to violent religious extremists in three places – Muslims in Britain, Jews in Israel and Christians in the United States.

“What is striking … is the similarity of the worldview and the rationale for violence,” the report said.

It said that while Muslims were often perceived by the West as “the principal perpetrators of terrorist activity,” there are violent extremists of other faiths. Always focusing on Muslim extremists alienates mainstream Muslims, it said.

The report said it was important to examine the root causes of violence by those of different faiths, without prejudice.

“It is, in each situation, a case of ‘us’ versus 'them,”’ it said. “That God did not intend for civilization to take its current shape; and that the state had failed the righteous and genuine members of that nation, and therefore God’s law supersedes man’s law.”

COMMON WORLDVIEW

This worldview was common to ultranationalist Jews, like Yigal Amir, who killed Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin in 1995, to U.S. groups like Christian Identity, which is linked to white supremacist groups, and to other Christian groups that attacked abortion providers, it said.

“Extremists should never be dismissed simply as evil,” said the report. “Trying to engage in a competition with religious extremists over who can offer a simpler answer to complex problems will be a losing proposition every time.”

Harvard University lecturer Jessica Stern, the conference’s keynote speaker, spent five years interviewing extremists for her 2003 book “Terror in the Name of God: Why Religious Militants Kill.”

She said it was dangerous for U.S. President George W. Bush to use terms such as “crusade” or “ridding the world of evil.”

“It really is falling into the same trap that these terrorists fall into, black and white thinking,” Stern told Reuters on Wednesday. “It’s very exciting to extremists to hear an American president talking that way.”

Stern said to compare violent extremists from the three faiths was not to suggest that the threat was the same.

“These are not equivalent,” she said. “The problems arising from Christian or Jewish extremism are not threatening to the world in the same way as Muslim extremism is.”

Conference organizers say their aim is to develop a nonpartisan strategy to combat religious extremism.

The guest list includes representatives of the State Department, Homeland Security, the New York Police Department and the U.N. missions of Israel, Iraq, Britain and the Organization of the Islamic Conference.*

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Interesting read Ahmadjee...
One big difference between the Muslims extremeists and the others is that Islam seems to lend itself very easily to extremist views...
Its difficult to group Muslim extremists with Jews and Chrisitians simply because extremists from other religions are simply brushed aside as crazy or misguided, while Muslims are simply viewed as a product of their religion. And its made worse by the fact that extremist Muslims constantly cite the same violent refrences to justify their actions that opponenets of Islam use to vilify them.
So I dont know if one could group all extremists into one convenient category.

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^ not at all ....problem is muslim radical mindset is still of a 16th century ...if you look up christian radicals from that time they also quoted passages from the bibles to justify their actions

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But the nature of such verses is very different... In regards to abortion clinic bombings they will cite passages that simply say that all life is precious etc..
Islam has a lot of very violent passages, that can be easily taken out of context...
So thats why I think its far easier for Islamic extremists to justify their actions..
All the passges in the koran in regards to the conduct of War are often cited by the Muslim extremists...

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The final message of Christianity was peace, tolerance and non-violence. Not so for Islam or Judiasm.

Unfornately Christians throughout history have failed to live up to that message, but it does make if more difficult for a hard core believer to go against the teachings of Jesus Christ. Don't ask me how the neocons and others do it. Hypocrisy and ignorance at its best I suppose.

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haha...who is saying tht..haha..dear where islam says to kill people??...where islam says to preach hateness??...u dont know single thing abt islam or u hear things from ur biased stupid media..come out of so called christianity which was formed by some peter or blah blah..not be jesus(pbuh)...

by the way,u christians should be worry...many of christians r accepting islam and more u say ur bla bla abt islam,the more exposure islam gets...thanks u people...
we dont use money to convert people like ur christian missionaires..
u christians kill muslims everywhere and we r blame for terrorism..huh poor christians..their scholars r like scapegoat in front of scholars like ahmed deedat,zakir naik...i feel ur people pain..i can feel the pain of pope john paul...as islam is spreading rapidly in europe..but yes wht our "moderate moderators" will do..they will delete my post...

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I never said Islam preaches hateness. But its message is very different than that of the Biblical Jesus. The last thing anyone could say about Jesus was that he was a warrior or advocated violence in any way. You are wrong about I know and where I learned of Islam. I have read the Quran, hadith, intrepretative studies, fatwas and I have been posting on gupshup for 5 years. If you guys don't know enough about Islam that I may have learned something it's your fault, not mine.

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by the way,u christians should be worry...many of christians r accepting islam and more u say ur bla bla abt islam,the more exposure islam gets...thanks u people...
we dont use money to convert people like ur christian missionaires..
u christians kill muslims everywhere and we r blame for terrorism..huh poor christians..their scholars r like scapegoat in front of scholars like ahmed deedat,zakir naik...i feel ur people pain..i can feel the pain of pope john paul...as islam is spreading rapidly in europe..but yes wht our "moderate moderators" will do..they will delete my post...
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You feel my pain? Geez, thanks for the empty gesture. But I think Christianity will do just fine in spite of your venomous wishes.

My post wasn't meant as a dig on Islam. As I said, Christians haven't completely followed the peaceful teachings of Jesus from the get-go. But the violence committed by Christians in the name of Christianity is mostly inspired by the Old Testament, which is filled with the very same brimstone and fire as the Quran.

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Peace Semi,

This just not to pick you up is OT a part of bible i will make it simple Yes/No.

Thanks in advance,

Regards.

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Salamvalekum,

I love your passion for islam but i think this verse should help you brother,

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SHAKIR: And do not dispute with the followers of the Book except by what is best, except those of them who act unjustly, and say: We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you, and our Allah and your Allah is One, and to Him do we submit.

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I think it is widely accepted and known that the Old Testament and New Testament together make up the Bible.

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:D I love false dogmatic beliefs.

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:wsalam:

How true … some people on this forum need to be reminded this again and again.

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Yes ofcourse if you mean the teaching of Jesus may peace be upon him, then i agree with you 100% no denial that Jesus peace be upon him preached peace, tolerance and non-violence.

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That is a relatively recent theological viewpoint. Many church conferences in previous millenia and centuries, even back to the earliest centuries of Christianity, clearly clearly allowed for application of violence and intolerance under specific circumstances.

It's only in the past 200 years that theologans have leaned towards accepting that Christianity is about peace, tolerance, and non-violence.

Incidentally, since then, political theory has strongly leant towards accepting violence. Which casts the grim suggestion that the natural state of man is violence - man will look for any reason, religious or secular, to kill fellow man.

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so some one attacks u and u will be the harping on the smae string "no violence no violence"..prove me from where islam promotes violence or blah blah or back down...again..y dont u tell me who formed christianity"...some peter or john or some unknown bible writer??...christianity was not formed by jesus(pbuh)..our prophet life is a complete example for us..wars r part of life..those who dont know how to fight will perish and thts y we muslims r suffering from u americans...

dont play words game...and u say u learn alot abt Quran and hadith...if u think this forum is the place to learn Islam then i m sorry dear..u r committing a big mistake...internet is full with bogus islamic sites and blah blah...buy Quran and read urself and keep in touch with any islamic scholar...

and by the way there r so many version of bible tht one may never find truth in it...u have jimmy swaggert edition,books of luke,job,gospel and list goes on and on..watch debates on google and youtube and u will find the path..
if u want to talk abt actual bible message which infact have been fabricated to the level tht there r many childish mathematical mistakes in bible,then we muslims r more christians then u people...as bible says not to ear pork,drink alcohol,have sex outside marriage,interest is not allowed,covering heads for ladies is compulsory...even there r undeniable proofs tht mohammad(pbuh) would be the last prophet...might be i m going against the topic but sorry brother,i had to mentioned those things...
we muslims r bound to respect jesus(pbuh),bible and his mother respectable marium...we dont hate christians...we hate policies of ur people and the way christian missionaires use poverty to convert people....

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although savonarola was a bigoted christian many measures he took to reform the people of florence are strikingly similar to the reform movements carried out in afghanistan and Iran in the recent years
he is a classic example that true believers who are labelled "extremists " by others are indeed very similar in the three abrahamic faiths

**[3:113-114]. They are not all the same; among the followers of the scripture, there are those who are righteous. They recite GOD’s revelations through the night, and they fall prostrate. ****They believe in GOD and the Last Day, they advocate righteousness and forbid evil, and they hasten to do righteous works. These are the righteous. **

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Guy1 that was indeed very well said. :k:

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IMO, wars shouldn't be a part of life. If man ever progesses to the level God wants us to, there won't be any more of this senseless killing. The final message from God will not teach us how to kill or have a warrior as the final prophet. That's why out of the Abrahamic religions I gravitate toward Christianity. If everyone lived their life as preached by Jesus Christ, there wouldn't be any more wars.

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dont play words game...and u say u learn alot abt Quran and hadith...if u think this forum is the place to learn Islam then i m sorry dear..u r committing a big mistake...internet is full with bogus islamic sites and blah blah...buy Quran and read urself and keep in touch with any islamic scholar...
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I do own a Quran and have read it myself. And while I do read Islamic scholars' interpretation, I refuse to keep in touch with a scholar to interpret religion for me. Their opinions? Yes. But not as gospel. I don't believe you have to be a scholar to live a spiritual life. Nor do I believe I have to have umpteen million followers to believe exactly as I do to validate my beliefs.

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and by the way there r so many version of bible tht one may never find truth in it...u have jimmy swaggert edition,books of luke,job,gospel and list goes on and on..watch debates on google and youtube and u will find the path..
if u want to talk abt actual bible message which infact have been fabricated to the level tht there r many childish mathematical mistakes in bible,then we muslims r more christians then u people...as bible says not to ear pork,drink alcohol,have sex outside marriage,interest is not allowed,covering heads for ladies is compulsory...even there r undeniable proofs tht mohammad(pbuh) would be the last prophet...might be i m going against the topic but sorry brother,i had to mentioned those things...
we muslims r bound to respect jesus(pbuh),bible and his mother respectable marium...we dont hate christians...we hate policies of ur people and the way christian missionaires use poverty to convert people....
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I could equally go into the reasons why I don't think the Quran is the unadultered truth from God or Muhammed the last prophet, but I realize how holy these things are to Muslims, so I don't out of respect. But I will tell you that for every reason you give for the Bible not being the word of God can be multiplied by 10 as to why hadith are not, and many Muslims treat it like it is. Or at least have turned Islam into the practice of not just the words and wishes of God, but the cultural interpretation of how it was practiced 1400 years ago.

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Seminole can you plz tell me if Jesus [pbuh] was the last messanger was his message preserved in its original form by his followers, and if it was then are the christians of today like the early christians ?

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I can tell you only what I believe. I don't think one has to have original words from God, an angel, someone told by an angel as told by God or a prophet for the words and message to be inspired by God. I don't think there exists a text book on earth with God's direct words. He's not that simplistic. So "original form" is way overplayed in my book.

So while it is very possible Jesus' words were not recorded 100% accurately, I believe his message as presented in the Bible was inspired by God and is a model for man to follow. There has been constant changes in the interpretation of scripture and how it is practiced.

Even if scriptures were revealed and preserved in original form doesn't mean the religion is practiced as God intended. Just because one believes their scripture to be 100% original and pure doesn't mean that all their religious practices and beliefs are 100% correct or necessary. How much of the dogma, rituals and practices are actual from this preserved, original book and how many are from the way early followers decided the religion should be practiced? A good bit. So all religions are basically man made but inspired by God whether the original scripture was prerserved or not.