Durban Declaration on racism, allocates religion as part of racial discrimination. All member states of the UN signed it. Including Pakistan. So yes religious persecution falls under racism.
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And the discussion was already deleted by the moderators, but you know the question I have. Care to answer it?
LOL.. How can religious discrimination be racism?!?!
The Durban decleration doesnt list religious discrimination as a category of racism, but rather as another category of discrimination. Its recognized as an agrravated form of discrimination, in addition to racism.
http://www.un.org/durbanreview2009/pdf/DDPA_full_text.pdf
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sigh Is anti-semitism racism?
Also your link, Page 5 General issues Operative Paragraph 2.
sigh Is anti-semitism racism?
Also your link, Page 5 General issues Operative Paragraph 2.
Dude... Thats because Jews ARE an ethnic group. That doesnt mean all religious groups are also Ethic groups... Is an Inonesian the same race as a Pakistani? Is a Turk the same race as an Arab?
Sigh...
Paragraph 5 doesnt mention religious intolerance, the relevant portion is page 5 paragraph 2.
Since when? 
I thought Jews are followers of Hazrat Musa AS, or are these different kind of Jews?
As far as I know, most Jews, and genetic profiles have shown this, are descendant of a particular tribe of Israel. We do know that Judaism was a religion of a particular ethnic group, comprised of multiple tribes in the middle east.
Also, Jews themselves like to characterize themselves as members of a nation and thus an ethnic group, and so many people are influenced by this belief to consider Jews a seperate ethnic.
Antisemetic beliefs may have also coloured perceptions, by trying to protray Jews as other or seperate.
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^ so how many tribes were followers of Hazrat Musa AS? Or was it just one tribe? Even if it was just one tribe their "unity" factor is their religion and not ethnicity, their claim to land (which is now Israel) is based on religion not on ethnicity.
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Semitic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
And are you ****ing kidding me? A preamble paragraph is being taken to hold more strenght then an operative paragraph? Dude. seriously. Stop now.
Operative Paragraph 2 - Page 5 General Issues
Read.
^ so how many tribes were followers of Hazrat Musa AS? Or was it just one tribe? Even if it was just one tribe their "unity" factor is their religion and not ethnicity, their claim to land (which is now Israel) is based on religion not on ethnicity.
All the tribes of Israel were followers of Musa and were all descended from a common ancestor... Current Jews are of a single tribe, the rest being considered lost.
As for Israel, Jews consider themselves a race and a religion and most people accept that. Infact, as far as I know, Israel actually requires that the descendancy of Jewish citiznes be varified. For example, it took a while for Indian Jews to validate their claim to be Jewish.
lol.. Now you want cite Wikipedia! I gave you the actual full text of the Durban accords and you quote Wiki. Good job!
Calm down, you make your self sound ignorant. Im not …ing kidding! You simply dont understand. I dont even think you know the topic you debating. Im discussing whether according to the DDPA, racism is the same as religious intolerance. The wording is a little difficult so let me translate for you.
The Operative Paragraph says :
Racism, racial discrimination and xenophobia and RELATED INTOLERANCES. These are examples of Intelerance.
These intolerances are based on race, colour, descent or national and ethnic origin.
Then it goes on to say:
Those suffering such discrimination as stated above, CAN ALSO suffer from other discriminations such as : Sex, language, RELIGION, political or other oppinion.
You stated that religious intolerance/discrimination and racism based on ethnicity are the same thing according to this document.
But the document itself clearly says that Racism and relgious intolerance are two seperate categories of intolerance and discrimination, but not the same thing, as you said.
Although they can overlap, and someone suffering one form of discrimination may be victim to other forms such as religious.
The exception is with Antisemitism, which has come to be associated with racials as well as religous discrimination.
But this is an exception, not a rule.
READ!
And yes I know what semitic is.. This debate is not over the definition of the word semite, but how its come to be understood…
Most people today associate semite with Jews, and antisemitism hatred for JEWS.
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Man you are smart. I link the full website to the Durban Declaration and then you think I link wikipedia. You are really smart. Also 500 delegates came up with that language and you butchered it in a matter of minutes.
Additionally you are adding words to the text to make your point, thus negating the text as is.
The text
[quote]
We recognize that racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and related
intolerance occur on the grounds of race, colour, descent or national or ethnic origin and that victims can suffer multiple or aggravated forms of discrimination based on other related grounds such as sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, social origin, property, birth or other status;
[/quote]
Racism can occur on grounds of race, colour, descent or national or ethnic origin.
Racial Discrimination can occur on grounds of race, colour, descent or national or ethnic origin
Xenophobia can occur on grounds of race, colour, descent or national or ethnic origin
Related Intolerances can occur on grounds of race, colour, descent or national or ethnic origin
Thus they are all placed together. However that does not mean you can not have:
Racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and related intolerance based on sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, social origin, property, birth or other status.
Easier to read sweetheart?
And yes I know what semitic is.. This debate is not over the definition of the word semite, but how its come to be understood... Most people today associate semite with Jews, and antisemitism hatred for JEWS.
Yes my point exactly. All jews are not semites. Not all jews are one ethnic group. They are not all one racial group. They are a religious group against whom discrimination is defined as racism. Thus my point that religion falls under racial discrimination or racism.
Man you are smart. I link the full website to the Durban Declaration and then you think I link wikipedia. You are really smart. Also 500 delegates came up with that language and you butchered it in a matter of minutes.
Additionally you are adding words to the text to make your point, thus negating the text as is.
The text
Racism can occur on grounds of race, colour, descent or national or ethnic origin. Racial Discrimination can occur on grounds of race, colour, descent or national or ethnic origin Xenophobia can occur on grounds of race, colour, descent or national or ethnic origin Related Intolerances can occur on grounds of race, colour, descent or national or ethnic origin
Thus they are all placed together. However that does not mean you can not have:
Racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and related intolerance based on sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, social origin, property, birth or other status.
Easier to read sweetheart?
Im not adding words, im only explaining the text in my own words.
Here is what you said:
"Durban Declaration on racism, allocates religion as part of racial discrimination."
Ummm, no it doesnt...
You cited this document to support that claim.
The document says that Racial discrimination and Religious discrimination are two different categories of discrimination. The are not the same, and are not allocated them into the same category.
The only exception as far as I know are with Jews, otherwise, there they are seperate.
Now you say thats exactly what you said to begin with...
And unless your an girl , dont call me sweet heart.
Yes my point exactly. All jews are not semites. Not all jews are one ethnic group. They are not all one racial group. They are a religious group against whom discrimination is defined as racism. Thus my point that religion falls under racial discrimination or racism.
Yes, but im not talking about the historical term, im talking about the common perception today. While the term should include all these groups, its not precieved too.
Today, Anti semitism has come to be associated with Jews. This however is an exception, not the rule.
Generally speaking, racial discrimination is seperate from religious discrimination.
The document says that Racial discrimination and Religious discrimination are two different categories of discrimination. The are not the same, and are not allocated them into the same category.
Where does it state that?
Yes, but im not talking about the historical term, im talking about the common perception today. While the term should include all these groups, its not precieved too. Today, Anti semitism has come to be associated with Jews. This however is an exception, not the rule. Generally speaking, racial discrimination is seperate from religious discrimination.
Thanks for agreeing with me.
Everywhere.
Operative paragraph making that exact distinction?
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"Today, Anti semitism has come to be associated with Jews. This however is an exception, not the rule."
Not only with Jews but other semetic people like Muslims and Christians as well.