Regret?

1-He spilled beans of supposedly happy and successful marriage…some time ago. :wink:

2- He said he married her traditionally eastern ways and she was chosen by his loving mother.

No Saas Bahu issue but

3- Sadly, he is not happy. No real info yet about her version..working on it.

4- She apparently got visa through him. He forced her to learn local ways and driving.

5- She had idea of not driving so she will not have to drive and do daily chores but he forced her for her potential freedom and job sake (his words).

6- She now has gainful employment because of him forcing in past to study and take the test.

7- She now says, he has no business telling her what to do and how she lives and spend ‘her’ money.

Second hand info but most credible it can be. Not sure myself why she would be so selfish.

Will update as info is gathered in future but no guarantee folks.

What should he do?

A- Divorce her?

B- Live with her since he has children with her?

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Have heard about so many mom selected wives turning into 'witches' when those 'seedhi saadhi' girls shifted to USA, UK or Canada after marriage and then turn out to be more 'liberal' than the girls bred outside Pakistan.

The wife's behaviour in this case might be a reaction to her husband forcing her to do things which she didn't want to do. The wife might have felt ignored and pressurised to do things which she did not want to and now when she is settled in her 'own' life towards which her husband pushed her, she seems confident and independent enough to live without her husband. The husband should discuss the future with his wife and then decide whether they want to continue this marriage or should part their ways. If the wife is willing to continue the marriage, the husband should convey his concerns to her.

If the wife wants a divorce, then go for it. If not, the husband and wife should reach a compromise because of the children.

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He tells her she was chosen by his mother and he only married her to follow traditional eastern ways.

I am assuming he also spoke to someone about their intimate affairs...? (at least thats what Im gathering from your first line)

He pushes her to learn driving, become independent, stop relying on him, work, support herself, etc etc etc.

When someone is independent, self-sufficient, strong and capable............what need would they have for a husband UNLESS they loved one another?

Is there anything he is giving her that she cant have on her own? She doesnt need him...providing food and shelter doesnt cut it anymore for self-sufficient people.

It depends on how much he cares for his wife and kids.

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if he is such a sorry figure as he thinks he can control his wife with a remote control, he should divorce her and have her get rid of him. Whats this fuss about "her money" and however she might want to spend that, does that make her selfish? makes me puke. What I read through it all is he only "invested" in his wife and now when she is earning he wants his share and rather all of it thats why if she wants to spend her money he has this problem and goes to the extend of calling her selfish and considering the options of divorce. i feel so sorry for such people who weigh everything in terms of money and advantages.

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it seemed like a happy and successful marriage? how do people do that drama of happiness in front of others when they are miserable?

i bet behind closed doors they are very different with each other than how they show themselves to you and their extended family.

come back with her version of it too, since you are going to have access to it, whatever is told in your first post seems incomplete

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In what context did she say, "I can spend my money how I want"?

Did he really force her or did he encourage her? to adapt to the new environment and learn to drive and to get a job--there's nothing wrong with that.

Now exactly what is he trying to make her do or spend her money?

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If eastern ways here means...eastern lifestyle/values...then..the two statements are contradictory...

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Girl marries guy and moves to a different country where I assume she had no friends or family. Guy forces her to learn to drive and get a job even though she didn't want to do either.

Guy actually TELLS her that he only married her b/c his mother made him!!!!!!!

And now the guy is surpised that the girl is bitter and resentful??!! Really?

Since the guy made it crystal clear to the girl that he doesn't love her...and she's self-sufficient thanks to HIM making her drive and get a job...as Reha said....at this point, she doesn't need him. Children aren't stupid....this marriage is not a partnership and the guy never loved his wife...sooner or later the children WILL realize this if they stay married. Personally, if I had children, I'd rather be a single mom than have my children grow up in a unhappy household where they sense tension daily.

As to whether or not he should divorce her...only he can answer that. How old are the kids? How "bad" is their relationship? Can the husband/wife have a civilized conversation regardind their daily living and children OR are they constantly fighting?

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biwi ki kamai kha ker ye sunana parta hai

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The issue has been there since he did not want her to be lke some other women who later complain that husband did not give chance to them to prove their abilties. She perhaps appreciates that but has not shown this by action.

Sorry for confusion they did not have secret marrige or ntimate affair. He spilled beans of telling others now that the seemingly happy marriage is not really that happy. Everyone thoght they were perfect couples.

Hmm, not sure how to answer that what he is good for if she is now independant.

He helped her built the her career and her education would have bee useless if he had not taken some decisions which actually affected his work opportunities so she would not have interruption in her career. They moved to different area because of her.

Basically he sacrificed for her. Took her to very high circle, got her initial jobs in prestigious places to build her resume.

He is very well off, does not need her income at all. If she stays home, they would still be 'rich'.

Again he is very well off, bult his lfe on his own and is not asking her to spend anything on himself. If she decides to stay home he would be happy.
The point was that she has this attitude of being now independent and according to him has been throwing money on useless stuff.
Their house is full of toysm electric gadget and expensive house decor.

Well have not talked to her and no chance yet. Don't know how she would take it.

Please read above. Good questions.

He is eastern. Believes on women freedom which is not really a contradiction from him being eastern. Educated and open minded people do live in east and closed minded/uneducated do live in 'west'. Right?

He married in eastern ways on his mother's choice.

Well, with your analogy everyone who married on their parent choice never love each other! He does seem to love her.

He does not need her kamai. She also makes decent money herself. He has told everyone he does not even look at his bank accounts, check books, credit card bills, telephone records etc. They both drive decent cars, and every new car she drives and gives him the older one to drive.

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I didn't "analyze" anything. I see that you went back and edited your original post. But BEFORE you edited it, you actually wrote that the guy TOLD his wife that he married her because his mother chose her for him and he wanted to follow traditional eastern values. So it wasn't my "analogy" that he didn't love her....I stated that based on what you wrote. I mean seriously......even in an arranged marriage, if you love and care about your spouse, why on earth would you tell her that you married her b/c your mother chose her?!

You state that he "seems" to love her......well, while the guy discussed his marriage and his wife/kids.......did he ever actually say that he loves her? Did he ever actually say that he wants to save this marriage b/c he cares about his wife?

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I do not know if he told her he married her on his mother's choice. Maybe or may not be.

Marrying on mothers/parent's choice does not mean someone does not love his or her spouse ever. That is what I said.

No idea if he said to her ever that he loves her. He seems to love her.

BTW: I edited my post about 5 min after it was originally posted (12:32 AM and 12:37 AM).

And that edited post was about 9 hours BEFORE you posted. (9:48 AM) :p

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I agree with the above statement. I know several people who had arranged marriages and both seem very happy.

In this specific case, IF the husband ever did actually tell the wife that he married her b/c his mother choose her and he wanted to follow tradition...then I can see why the wife is bitter/resentful.

One question though....you mentioned that the husband is well-off and is not asking the wife to contribute to the household expenses. Then why is he concerned about how she spends her income? I ask this b/c I know one couple where the husband is VERY wealthy....the wife works only so that she has something "to do". In the particular case I know, the wife literally spends ALL her income on shopping. Her closet is unbelievable. But the husband doesn't care b/c 1) It's her income 2) He doesn't need her money to pay current bills or to save for future b/c he himself has a VERY healthy income. So with the couple in your story, why does it bother him so much if she wants to waste her own money if he doesn't need it?

Another very important piece of information would be to find out if SHE felt forced to drive/work when they first got married. I know you do not have that piece of information since you haven't spoken with her.........but if the wife felt that she was forced to become someone that she didn't want to be....then that explains a lot. Whatever happened between them, it seems that the wife clearly sees herself as being alone and NOT in a partnership.

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If he feels insulted he should either separate or divorce.

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He should aim to improve himself emotionally and by trying to land a better job through improving his CV and taking opportunities as they arise. It seems she has understood what "changing for good" means but he has not implemented it on himself. Never let the 'love' wane. He should spend on her even if she does not need it and express his loving with words and gestures. That is the recipe for sorting out the problems inshaAllah.

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well that was my point actually. I didnt say he has money problems and he wants to feed off his wife's money. What it seemed to me is more of an ego issue to him that how come a wife is not acknowledging the ehsan of her husband and is so independent in her actions and expression now. I think wives should be considered an individual having their own identity and entity too. Maybe some men just fail to acknowledge and realise that. However great and a well wisher of him be that he arranged visa for her, brought him abroad, managed to have her learn driving and a good job that she is on, right now, but the marital relation is really not about doing ehsan and counting it and wanting a reward and pay back. Im sorry at such a behavior it be a wife or a husband. In the same way if a wife does something or anything good and nice to her husband, they both are actually fulfilling their duties, not doing ehsan on each other. this is how we build our family life, brick after brick of little and big nice goings and gestures. Should the marital relation be such vulnerable as to have disputes over such materialistic issues of money and job and how to spend the money.

OP, Im sorry if I interpreted the situation wrong and said anything that was harsh. Maybe this is because we have only one aspect of the situation. I dont know what your relation is, to the couple, you are in a better situation to interpret and decide which party is fair or unfair. No offense buddy.

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I don't kow whats his problem. If he likes house wife then why on earth he forced her for education and career in first place. There are many other ways to groom a person. OK education is necessary and it was a good decision but why he forced her for job.

Woh kia kehty hain k "You reap what you sow". He made her like that and now he is complaining. It looks like to me when if she leave her job, he would start complaining about other thing like she is not good in house chores etc.....

Seems to me that he has not accepted her wife with whole heartedly yet.

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his ego's hurt because he has an independent wife

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I hope she did feel he sacrificed for her being a selfless husband. No idea if she felt forced but from his comment that he had to make sure she does not come back later saying she had good education and she somehow lost her career over his.

As a person who I know had a very difficult time for a shot time but never asked his friends/relatives for monetary help, he wants to make sure she herself acts as responsible adult.

Maybe so, but they have two young children and she is pregnant with third. Not that simple after all.

Besides, he seemed more disappointed than insulted.

Will keep this in mind when I have next informal encounter with him. :)

I do not know for sure but think his feelings maybe same as when a child grows up and after going to college and getting 'educated' on parent's money, learns few things in life and then says to any member of the parent,

Example: "Dad, you are too old fashioned, I love you and respect you but that does not mean you are smarter than me"

He did not 'complain' to anyone. Has all the right to divorce her. He seemed a bit disappointed as I said earlier.

I know the guy since before marriage and very little interaction with his wife. Sorry.

He is the one who struggled to make her become independent.

If he wanted to, she would have never seen the way to become 'independent' according to him.

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Seems like the guy had a change of his views..............he thought he wanted an independent wife.........now that she is....he don't really like it......
so now.......he can either change his mind back..........or tolerate her.........or divorce her...........