'Regime change' in Spain as ruling party ousted

Hopefully this is this first of quite a few regime changes in the countries that supported the illegal war in Iraq?

Socialists Oust Spain’s Ruling Party

Spain’s Socialists scored a dramatic upset in elections Sunday, unseating conservatives stung by charges they provoked the Madrid terror bombings by supporting the U.S.-led war in Iraq and making Spain a target for al-Qaida. It was the first time a government that backed the Iraq war has been voted out of office. Incoming prime minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero has pledged to bring home the 1,300 troops Spain has stationed in Iraq when their tour of duty ends in July. The defeat of Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar’s Popular Party and his hand-picked successor capped four tumultuous days starting with the attacks that killed 200 people and wounded 1,500. The attacks were followed by massive street rallies against the bombings and smaller ones against the government. The arrest of five suspects, including three Moroccans, and a reported al-Qaida claim of responsibility, raised the disturbing prospect that terrorists aligned with Osama bin Laden had changed the course of a national election. The Spain government has insisted its prime suspect in Thursday’s rail bombings was the armed Basque separatist group ETA.

Before the attacks, polls had given the governing party a lead of 3-5 percentage points. With 99 percent of the votes counted, Zapatero’s Spanish Socialist Workers Party soared from 125 seats to 164 in the outgoing 350-seat legislature. The ruling Popular Party fell from 183 to 148. The Popular Party cannot try to form a governing coalition because it has no virtually no allies in the legislature, where it had enjoyed a majority and was often accused of riding roughshod over opponents. Zapatero began his victory speech with a minute of silence for those killed in the terror attacks. “At this moment I think of the lives that were broken by terror on Thursday,” he said. “My most immediate priority will be to fight terrorism.” The numbers will leave Zapatero short of a majority — or 176 seats — and he will have to seek help to form a government. The Socialists ruled Spain from 1982-1996 but ran afoul of corruption scandals and were voted out of power. Savoring victory again outside the Socialist party headquarters, several hundred supporters cheered the results. But they, too, remembered the 200 people killed in Thursday’s railway blasts. “Not all of us are here. Two hundred are missing,” the crowd shouted. “I think the party won because of people’s frustration people about the Popular Party getting us into the war in Iraq,” said one of them, housewife Loli Carrasco Gomez, 36.

Of the troops in Iraq, she said: “I hope they all come home and never go back.” The government had insisted that its prime suspect in the bombings was ETA, even as evidence mounted of an Islamic link. The government was accused of withholding information on the investigation to save the election. Throughout Sunday, voters said they lost faith in the ruling party, in power since 1996. “I wasn’t planning to vote, but I am here today because the Popular Party is responsible for murders here and in Iraq,” said Ernesto Sanchez-Gey, 48, who voted in Barcelona. Some voters, however, expressed support for the ruling party precisely because it endorsed the Iraq war, and for its crackdown on ETA. Mari Carmen Pinadero Martinez, 58, a housewife, said she “voted to help the government end terrorism” as she cast her ballot near the downtown Atocha railway station where trains were bombed. In El Pozo northeast of Madrid, site of one of the four blasts, a ruined train car was in clear view of the polling station as were flowers for the victims, signs stating “Paz” (Peace) and dozens of lit candles. Some of the voters, teary-eyed, held onto relatives and friends for support.

their previous government went with US against the will of 90% of their population, it was bound to happen i guess.

Can't blame the people for voting the way they did. Going along with the plan to remove Saddam isn't going to meet much resistance from those who understand what Saddam was, but falling in line with the post-war Iraq plan (non-plan?) was just foolish.

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their previous government went with US against the will of 90% of their population, it was bound to happen i guess.
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Yes, and it is a mighty slap in the face for those who derided the many millions who protested against the illegal American war for oil last year.

the train blast in Spain before the elections which is being blamed on Al-Qaida seems to have a resounding effect as well.

Yes, though Aznar’s party had a very slim lead even before the terrorist bombings. The Prime Minister-elect has quickly come out and said his country’s troops will be withdrawn in June, even though the US and UK will keep their troops there for years to come. Already he is castigating the war…and it’s effects.

Spain ‘to withdraw Iraq troops’

Spain’s Socialist Party prime minister-elect has confirmed his intention to pull Spanish troops out of Iraq. Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero said: “The war in Iraq was a disaster, the occupation of Iraq is a disaster.” The Socialist Party won a shock poll victory after voters appeared to turn on the government over its handling of the Madrid bombings. Spain, with more than 1,300 troops in Iraq, supported the US-led war on Iraq despite much domestic opposition. Police are quizzing five men over the Madrid bombings, amid reports that one of them has links to a group blamed for attacks in Casablanca last May that killed 45 people.

Iraq pull-out

Mr Zapatero told Spanish radio that no decision would be taken until he was in power or without wide political consultation. “Wars such as those which have occurred in Iraq only allow hatred, violence and terror to proliferate,” Mr Zapatero said. Our world affairs correspondent, Paul Reynolds, says that the situation in Iraq may well have changed by 30 June, but whether that influences the new government remains to be seen. By then the US and UK hope that the Security Council will have given UN approval to the handover plan. In addition the interim Iraqi government will be asking foreign troops to stay as part of a UN-approved multinational force.

Outsider

Socialists won 42% of the vote, while the centre-right Popular Party won 38% in Sunday’s general election, held in the wake of the Madrid train bomb attacks that killed 200 people. The Socialist win means a change of political direction for Spain The BBC’s Chris Morris, in Madrid, says the bombings did more than shock Spain to the core; they proved to be the decisive factor in the general election that ousted the government. Mr Zapatero was - until Thursday’s bombings - considered an outsider for Spain’s top job. Despite his party’s victory, however, there is expected to be much political horse-trading because the Socialists did not win an absolute majority. While Mr Zapatero said his first priority was to tackle terrorism “in all its forms”, he is thought likely to do it in a very different way than the outgoing government. A larger than expected 77% of the electorate turned out to vote in the wake of last Thursday’s attacks.

"Regime change" is a term that indicates the overthrow of a government considered illegitimate by an external military force. There is a big difference between banana republic dictatorships and western democracies, as much as some would like to make the two comparable. But that's not the worst of this thread. It appears as if the mass murder of innocent Spaniards actually swayed the election toward the party that placates terrorists. This is a sad turn of events for the civlized world.

**"Mr. Blair and Mr. Bush must do some reflection and self-criticism... you can't organize a war with lies." **

The latest from Prime Minister-elect Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero. :)

semi: "civilized world" wudnt have "shocked and awed" the entire nation just to find one president. not to mention kill thousands of children and women every day to find the "wnd". not to mention faliure to create a stable government afterwards.
some civilized nation it is.

And letting Saddam stay in power is what the "civilized world" would do?

Nice to see someone has the testicular fortitude to stand in the world arena and tell it like it is. Blair should take note and promptly go drown himself.

Hats of to this chap, i think i'm gonna like him.

We'll wait for the two more incidents, for now we'll enjoy this breath of fresh air in what is predominantly puppet politics.

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semi: "civilized world" wudnt have "shocked and awed"...
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How did the US come into this thread? By the 'civlilized world' I am refering to new a standard where a terrorist group can target innocent citizens to effect the outcome of a national election.

Seminole,

Agreed, what a horrible outcome that AQ sets off a bomb, killing 200 people, and skews the election as a result. Spanish troops should go home now with their tails between their legs.....

In the mean time, this may be a hollow victory, as Europe slams the doors on North Africans and Arabs and Muslims. Despite what you would believe about the US, the European countries are far more reactionary.

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And letting Saddam stay in power is what the "civilized world" would do?
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civilized world should also remove kim from NK, fidel from cuba, ayotollah whoever it is these days in Iran and King fahd in KSA. ad qaddafi in Libya.

if teh goal of wars is just to remove tyrants, there are many more in the world.

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And letting Saddam stay in power is what the "civilized world" would do?
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as i recall, sadam was initially supported by US itself during iran iraq war. where was thier so called "civility" then? US gave him the power to begin with. as far what he did to his people, it was the problem of iraqis themselves. if they wanted him out they cud've over thrown him themselves.
dont get me wrong though.. i loath saddam, i believe he got what he deserved. i suffered through gulf war n seen the things he did first hand in kuwait and in his own country. but i think iraqis shud've made that decision on their own.

semi: in that sense US is a terrorist too, since it killed millions in so called "Accidental bombings" and so forth. not to mention what happened in bosnia or afghanistan. kill bush, and there wont be any terrorist acitivities.

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In the mean time, this may be a hollow victory, as Europe slams the doors on North Africans and Arabs and Muslims. Despite what you would believe about the US, the European countries are far more reactionary.
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Jollow victory for the extremists, the innocent muslims who are caught in this situation are pretty much screwed either way. Many of them left their countries to escape the extyremists and the issues present due to the lameness there, now it just follows them and wont let themlive in peace in their new homelands either.

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semi: in that sense US is a terrorist too, since it killed millions in so called "Accidental bombings" and so forth. not to mention what happened in bosnia or afghanistan. kill bush, and there wont be any terrorist acitivities.
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Once again, your off topic dig at the US has nothing to do with this thread or my commnt about civlility. But it is par for he course around here to:
1) Bring up the evil USA in every thread, and
2) Excuse inexcusable behavior by pointing fingers at others as if it is justification for attrocities.

^ yeah suroor, u canadians are just too much.

Regime change Al-Qaeeeeda style, just heard on TV the new regime will pull out spaniards from Iraq end of June.... Next Regime change, mini me blair. :)