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*Originally posted by Abdali: *
Regime change Al-Qaeeeeda style, just heard on TV the new regime will pull out spaniards from Iraq end of June.... Next Regime change, mini me blair. :)
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when is election in UK?
one gone...2 more to go !!!
So, terrorism has now become a good solution for regime change in countries?
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How did the US come into this thread?
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You should ask the new spaniard running the show from Madrid. He calls yanks a liar open in public and wows to pull spanish out of Iraq as they should not have been there in the first place. The spanish in Iraq are few but the impact of pull out significant. Welcome to reality,, Hallelujah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now that Spaniards have taken the correct moral decision to pull out of Iraq and concede that Al-Qaida bombing of innocent civilians majority of whom opposed the war in first place works.
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How did the US come into this thread?
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**"Mr. Blair and Mr. Bush must do some reflection and self-criticism... you can't organize a war with lies." **
New Prime Minister of Spain.
Btw, I hope your civilized world is not supping with Saddam-like dictators in Central Asia, the Middle East and North Africa these days? That would be soooo hypocritical you know?
Viva la Espana!
So it seems Terrorism is effective
The terrorist attacks in spain, by whichever extremist group, after being assumed to be middle-east related, haved cause a revolution in their parlaiment, and thus a change in prime minister to a socialist candidate who has promiced to end Spanish involvment in Iraq and who has declared the US to be errant.
Thus, it is safe to say, that in certain circumstances, "terrorism," which seems to me to be more or less a form of rebellion, is an effective tool in world politics.
The new Spanish PM had promised during the election campaign to pull out Spanish troops IF THE UN IS NOT GIVEN CONTROL of the situation in Iraq by 30 June 2004. And he's reiterated that after the elections. So at least he seems, at the moment, to be consistent. Let's see what really happens - if he backs down or what.
Also PSOE was already closing the gap on PPE even before the terrorist attack on 11 March in Madrid - so may have (or may not have) won even without this attrocity.
well deserved
though I myself do not necessarily agree with the use of "terrorist" action to achieve political goals, but, as I posted in the main board, it seems to have worked in bringing a government who ignored the wishes of the great majority of their population to its knees... I see it like this: The modern western world of demokracy has brought more problems to more people than all of the 20th century dictators combined. So I say, if the terrorists were to go wild attacking westerners, slaughtering them left and right... it would be deserved.
Let's compare the magnitude of amerikan terrorism with al-qeida terrorism.
Post a new thread if you want to discuss other issues, not directly related to this thread.
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*Originally posted by Awam ki Awaz: *
The new Spanish PM had promised during the election campaign to pull out Spanish troops IF THE UN IS NOT GIVEN CONTROL of the situation in Iraq by 30 June 2004. And he's reiterated that after the elections. So at least he seems, at the moment, to be consistent. Let's see what really happens - if he backs down or what.
Also PSOE was already closing the gap on PPE even before the terrorist attack on 11 March in Madrid - so may have (or may not have) won even without this attrocity.
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Exactly. I think people give to much credit to the terrorists that they don't deserve, and forget the fact the PSOE and the overwhelming majority of Spanish people have always been against the illegal Anglo-American war against Iraq.
Correction: Anglo-American-Iberian war which was deemed legal by the brave coalition of the willing based on Security Council Resolutions. Whether or not the Spanish population favored the war does not change the fact that the conservatives were headed toward victory before terrorists murdered hundreds of Spaniards.
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Correction: Anglo-American-Iberian* war which was...
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Correction: Anglo-American-Spanish-Mongolian-Micronesian-Nauran war that 80% of the UNSC would not back in a second resolution, despite all the bribes offered and the arm global twisting of the Powell and co. But Spain and the others are now seeing the error of their ways, thanks to the regime change. :)
You mean thanks to the terrorists.
The rest of the word doesn't have the balls, might or resources to take on terrorist regimes. It doesn't mean it's not legal.
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You mean thanks to the terrorists.
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The minority of American people unwittingly voted in the greatest terrorist regime of them all, so don't presume to know how you think others are thinking when they voted.
Like the Spanish people, the rest of the world do not want to be part of the murdering machine of these great terrorists. Mark my words, terrorist bombs or not, this result will be replicated in any country that supported the illegal American-led war for oil.
The greatest terrorist of all? Your bias is laughable. Check out the murdering machines in history. I don't expect you to understand the responsbility of being the world's dominant power and the reason most of the world is either democratic or becoming democratic. It's an awesome responsiblity and it's not always pretty. But it sure beats sitting around and letting tyrants and terrorists control the world.
This has little or nothing to do with Iraq. AQ would bomb France over headscarves, and Spain over the Crusades. They have also bombed Turkey, Morocco, Tunisia, Saudia Arabia, and Indonesia, for no particular cohesive reason. They are hate filled champions of an Arab/Muslim extremeist world that has been irrelevant on the world stage too long. Bombs may go off, but the backlash against good Muslim people will be far more damaging than any explosive.
mallik dont forget there may be backlash against muslim immigrants
this is not good for muslims .
Prayers and fears of Madrid’s Muslims
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This has little or nothing to do with Iraq. AQ would bomb France over headscarves, and Spain over the Crusades. They have also bombed Turkey, Morocco, Tunisia, Saudia Arabia, and Indonesia, for no particular cohesive reason
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They have also striked Pakistan, dont forget that.
someday the coauch-supporters and admirers of kayda will figure out the reality.
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The greatest terrorist of all? Your bias is laughable. Check out the murdering machines in history.
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I was talking about the Bush regime, and its crimes since 9/11 i.e. in killing more Afghan and Iraqi civilians than even the those terrorists you people going on about - many, many times over.
No doubt more people around the world will follow the Spanish people and boot out such irresponsible and terrorist regimes.
Hondarus is annoucing that it will also withdraw along with spain :k: Any nation who sides with the terrorist must be warned.
Haha sure Abdolly.