Refuting wrong beliefs of a liar

[hareem01]

Re: Refuting wrong beliefs of a liar

@kakaballi

This is what a lot of people in Pakistan believe. As long as the shrine is there, Karachi would be safe from natural calamities, a belief not different from: Mumbadevi Mata Temple (Mandir) – Goddess Of Mumbai

I ask a specific question: Are the people who believe that the grave of a person can save them from natural calamities following Islam?

No one knows much about the Wali resting in the grave. No one knows what he preached. They only know that his grave has supernatural powers. Even though the Wali could not save his devotees from animals wanting to kill themselves and take other innocents with them.

Who appoints such ‘Abduls’? How does one know if that person is a ‘Wali’ and able to talk to God on your behalf?

Are Deities and Idols not just that. Beings with supernatural powers bestowed upon them because they are closer to God?

From ‘outside’ it all looks the same. Hindu Idols, Christian Saints or Muslim Abduls. It would be nice if you could provide some reference in Quran about how this Wali thing works.

I give up here

Vroom said that the shrine doesn’t have supernatural powers, right? So let’s not hold him responcible for Karachites who may believe it does.

Hindu idols and Abdaals aren’t the same even a child would know this. The Abdaals are servants of God and everything they do is by God’s permission. Besides, we don’t worship the Abdaals like Hindus worship their idols.