Refuting wrong beliefs of a liar

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Re: Refuting wrong beliefs of a liar

@vroom

I have to answer your question, not because I want to derail the topic but because what you have asked needs to answered to an extent that there is no allegation of Shirk upon Muslims

I didn’t read the article you posted, but a Shrine can not protect Karachi. It can not do anything.

This is what a lot of people in Pakistan believe. As long as the shrine is there, Karachi would be safe from natural calamities, a belief not different from: Mumbadevi Mata Temple (Mandir) – Goddess Of Mumbai

I ask a specific question: Are the people who believe that the grave of a person can save them from natural calamities following Islam?

@vroom

The Wali resting in the Grave can do something, with or without a room [Mazaar] where the Grave is located. He can help avert both the danger and limit the destruction caused. …

No one knows much about the Wali resting in the grave. No one knows what he preached. They only know that his grave has supernatural powers. Even though the Wali could not save his devotees from animals wanting to kill themselves and take other innocents with them.

@vroom

…How its different to an idol is that idol is a false god, where as the Wali is a Servant. The Abduls [slaves] of Allah Ta’ala can have the power of Kun [be and it is] by The Will of Allah Most Merciful subject to whatever Allah Ta’ala wills. How it works is that if they the Beloved Slaves Ask of Allah Ta’ala - Allah Ta’ala gives them and this is a specific Muslim Belief, where as what’s done with idols are not Muslim beliefs [they are Kufr] and Shirk [associating partners with Allah Ta’ala]

Taking the idol as an intercessor is an act of kufr, but taking the Believer as a Means/intercessor/intermediary/helper in areas where you need help it is not an act of kufr, nor of Shirk, but it shows deep understanding of Islam - and its the way of the Believers …

Who appoints such ‘Abduls’? How does one know if that person is a ‘Wali’ and able to talk to God on your behalf?

Are Deities and Idols not just that. Beings with supernatural powers bestowed upon them because they are closer to God?

From ‘outside’ it all looks the same. Hindu Idols, Christian Saints or Muslim Abduls. It would be nice if you could provide some reference in Quran about how this Wali thing works.

@vroom

…For this understanding a few aspects of Islam have to be absorbed. If those elements are missing from a person he will not understand ,…

I give up here