Does anyone know if as a mulim its ok to eat a food dish that has red wine vinigar as one of its ingredients.
The reason i ask is because there would be a small amount of it in there and wouldn’t be enough to intoxicate someone. I wasn’t sure if Islam prohibits wine altogether in any shape or form, or not as long as you don’t get a kick out of it and its mixed in well with food in small quantity.
I will keep my answer very simple, as I am not sure if you want a lengthy answer with too many references or not.
According to my knowledge, whether it can intoxicate itself or not is probably not that important. The key thing is to see if it has any alcohol, or any ingredient which is known to cause "khamar" (intoxication). If red wine vinegar has alcohol in it, chances are that it is not permissible to consume.
The reason is that if an ingredient can cause intoxication in large quantities, then it should not be taken in small quantities either and the basis for this is a ruling which says, "what is haraam in large quantities is also haraam in small quantities", and also "those actions which lead to haraam are also haraam".
If u are sure that alchohol is phased out by cooking properly then yes u can consume it but still check with others.
Itna pakao keh khana sardh ja-ay, sardhee hoee diskh khao alchohol will definatly be phased out :)
Well this issue had been discussed here already few times.
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If u are sure that alchohol is phased out by cooking properly then yes u can consume it but still check with others.
Itna pakao keh khana sardh ja-ay, sardhee hoee diskh khao alchohol will definatly be phased out :)
Well this issue had been discussed here already few times.
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Phased out? What u mean phased out? If you something haram onto something halal it makes the whole thing HARAM.
Its like i put pork onto a piece of chicken caus i want the flavor of the pork..and when i eat it i take off the pork. The chicken there for is also haram caus the flavors are there although the pork is gone.
Phase out means evaporate.
What Najim said does make sense.
yeah u can't compare the evaporation of alcohol during cooking to mixing pork in chicken.... that's liquids vs. solids....big difference- i'd recommend u brush up on your chemistry.
I was wondering if red wine vinegar even has alcohol in it...or if its just a name...
PCG - that was a good question. So I did some research and found out that red wine vinigar is a step towards making red wine. So rwv doesn't have any alcohol in it and therefore is safe to consume for us muslims.
Faisal - thanks for your reply. I'll take your word for it that even a small amount is prohibited in Islam.
Najim - makes sense that if alcohol is evaporated during cooking then the food is alcohol free and then good to eat.
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yeah u can't compare the evaporation of alcohol during cooking to mixing pork in chicken.... that's liquids vs. solids....big difference- i'd recommend u brush up on your chemistry.
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Reminds me of an argument of "khamar" and "Ribah" one is liquid the other is solid, but the underlying principle is that both are haram.
Through the centuries, vinegar has been produced from many materials including molasses, sorghum, fruits, berries, melons, coconut, honey, beer, maple syrup, potatoes, beets, malt, grains and whey. But the principle remains unchanged - a fermentation of natural sugars to alcohol and then secondary fermentation to vinegar.
so whether it is red wine vinegar or any other vinegar the fermentation of sugar to alcohol and that to acetic acid is the usual process.
here are a few links for you curious minds.
http://www.islam-online.net/English/Science/2000/4/article7.shtml
OK here's my question.
What about alcohol in foods(sherry, white/red wine etc) ?
I would think that should be haram ?
see i always wondered about alcohol in foods...it depends on how the cooking alters the alcohol if it does at all...
If it gets evaporated, only leaving the "taste" behind, then I dont see why we should not eat stuff cooked in wine, etc....but I dont know if it does or doesn't evaporate or get altered somewhat...
Thank God! I'm going for that red wine vinegar tomorrow - i figured it wasn't alcoholic, cuz its available in our cafeteria, and they have no-alcohol policy...
Plus , if red wine vinegar was alcoholic, you'd see pple doing substance abuse with it. Kinda like white-out or glue...
What does the Koran say about ecstasy, is it haram or not?
Quran is not written with a list of medicines. Simply put, it says that a muslim should not take anything which will cause intoxication (arabic word: "khamar"). Be it alcohol, wine, beer, ecstacy, marijuana or anything.
The only two exceptions, I have heard are <1> *if your life is threatened - e.g. by thirst, then you can take any drink or food (including e.g. pork) to save your life and *<2> as medicine, if that is the only option available.
you forgot cigarette i am sure it is a drug with addictive properties
which kills more people than alcohol.
I think cigarettes and alcohol are governed under two different premises.
Anything which intoxicates is prohibited because a person who is intoxicated loses sense of what he is doing and what he is saying. This can result in the person committing sins, and he can remain unaware of these. For this reason, Allah Ta'llah has prohibited anything which intoxicates.
Re: cigarettes, the thing to remember is that our bodies and our lives are a gift from our Creator. A muslim is required to take good care of his/her body and use it in accordance with islamic rulings. Anything which causes harm to our bodies should not be taken. And for this reason committing suicide is also haraam. If u believe that anything will cause direct harm to your bodies then you should not take it intentionally. Since the application of this ruling is very broad, scholars differ on its implementation. I have heard very few scholars suggest that cigarettes are outright haraam. All of them, suggest caution, though.
Dude, I would list cigarettes under haraam at this point. The research we have today of the bad effects of smoking are in front of you...and granted, many people smoke and it doesn't harm them, but it has the potential of harming you.
Banning cigarettes would prob not fall under the same ruling for alcohol, cuz cigarettes dont alter your judgment...but since they do cause harm to the body, they'd be banned, cuz Islamically you should not harm urself.
The thing is...the bad effects of smoking were not known in 600 AD, and its also possible that there is a big difference between today's cigarettes, and yesterday's hooka (chem wise)...thus, if the Quran says, dont do anything harmful to your body, then it doesn't take a lot of brains to figure out that smoking is not permitted.
But since our beloved religious authorities do smoke (some of em), there has been no ultimate ban placed on smoking. Go figure.
Salaam All
Hey so what's the verdict on White Wine Vinegar and Spirit Vinegar commonly found in Coleslaw?
Jabeen
i reckon it's no...
even traces of alcohol aren't allowed (i think)
ignore this
and this