Red Light in Islamabad

Shaheen Sehbai, Group Editor The News , was the first person who wrote in January,2009 that its time for Kyani to play his innings in a manner that the Power- Pillars of Pakistan to remain intact without damaging the structure and we saw this on 15th Match,2009 at Long March.Now , what next !

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Friday, August 29, 2009**

By* Shaheen Sehbai*

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From a Troika to a Quartet**

WASHINGTON: Pakistan has entered into a make-or-break, decisive phase for the political system and the next few weeks have become so critical that any slip by any of the main institutional players could cause a major catastrophe and land the country into deep trouble.

The three pillars of the so-called troika, namely the president, the prime minister and the Army chief, have now been joined by another major pillar, the chief justice of the Supreme Court and the troika is practically now a quartet.

Each of these four players appear to have their hands full with matters they have to dispose of and some of these issues impact directly on the other two or three members of the quartet, a matter of life or death for some.

Behind the scene matters appear to be moving in such mysterious ways and at such a dangerous pace that no political or official spokesperson has been able to explain why and how of the developments. No one knows what was the urgent need for diverting the presidential aircraft to Islamabad while flying from China to the UK just days ago and why President Asif Zardari stayed on the tarmac at Chaklala to meet the prime minister and the Army chief and then immediately took off for Dubai and London. These happenings are not normal by any given standard.

What the next few weeks hold in store for the country can be put simply in this brief form:

  • The president has to decide, and decide quickly, whether he is going to give up his powers under the 17th Amendment, which has become a basic factor of the continuing political instability in the country. This lack of stability has not only damaged the prospects and potential of a democratic set up but has given rise to unnecessary and frivolous controversies over dead and buried issues. Politicians squabbling and fighting like kids on non-issues do not inspire confidence or raise hopes while the teeming millions get crushed by ever-increasing burden of day to day survival.

  • The president has to decide whether he would continue with his style of running the system like the US/French model with presidential cronies surrounding him or will he allow a set-up that has built-in systems of checks and balances and keeps every institution within its prescribed constitutional limits.

  • The prime minister has to make up his mind whether he wants to say all the right things at all the right forums but is unable to deliver and lose credibility with each statement he makes. His pathetic plight is so pitiable that the nation starts cheering him up if he sacks a petty corporate official.

  • The limits of patience which opposition political parties have shown towards the PM are about to end if Gilani keeps waiting forever for real power to fall automatically in his lap. That may not happen any time soon.

  • The Army Chief has his own compulsions as he has his real wars and battles to fight on hot military fronts but he must be the most disturbed person looking at the political landscape from his Pindi seat of power. He must be feeling desperate because the political stability that he needed to fight these wars, without caving in totally to outrageous demands of the foreign powers involved, is not being provided by the politicians.

  • The Army chief would also be worried because his own retirement is just about a year from now and it would be giving him sleepless nights when wondering whether he would leave the national scene in the hands of the current players with their incompetence. His options to bring about improvements are limited but he has shown the willingness to intervene, when pushed really against the wall and the nation saw two such almost positive interventions in recent months, once on the night of March 15-16 when the chief justice was restored and another when the July 31 judgment of the Supreme Court was about to be announced.

  • The latest member of the quartet, the Chief Justice of Pakistan, has the most crucial decisions to make as cases involving all the other members of the previous troika come before him for judgment. His words and decisions may bring down the entire system, if not carried out in a proper, well rehearsed and balanced way. But as one top lawyer recently in Washington put it, the restored judiciary has to prove that the people were not wrong in fighting for their cause so they will take all the decisions that need to be taken, without fear or favour.

  • The chief justice also has to do a balancing act when matters pertaining to the conduct of the Army generals and the politicians come before it. Thus a hasty decision against Musharraf or a sweeping reversal of NRO related benefits could further increase tensions and the instability that may deepen may cause a collapse of the system. Yet the CJ has to act within the next few weeks.

With these critical matters in the air, what options do the four players of the quartet have. The most frightening scenario is that either of these four pillars may take some precipitate action in panic which may cause a domino effect.

For instance, it has been in the air for some time that the presidency was keeping its fingers very close to the panic buttons. All the loud talk of Minus-1 formulas and NRO bashing may have triggered this panic and President Zardari’s sudden, unexplained dashes abroad have not helped create the sense of confidence and calm that should otherwise be the hallmark of an elected and popular president.

There have also been whispers that President Zardari would not give in to political or physical threats and would fight all the way, even if that created an October 12, 1999-like situation. It would be better if nothing more is said about these options.

In Pindi, there is a general agreement that no one would like to see the system collapse but some corrections are due and should be quickly made. These include the end of the crony control and taking away a few unelected and unpopular associates of the president may satisfy Pindi.

The PM side may be happy if President Zardari moved fast on the 17th Amendment but any impression or attempt of stalling things and gaining time may backfire, again causing someone to push the panic button. The political parties sitting on the fence including Mian Nawaz Sharif may also find their patience exhausted if things linger on indefinitely. The smear campaign launched recently resurrecting the Midnight Jackals can adversely hit the system. But the Supreme Court holds most of the cards and in the new power equation with four instead of three troika players, there could be a tie with two sides aligned against each other.

The bottom line is that the courts enjoy the support of the people, at least until now, and Pindi holds the real physical power so in any such eventuality, the losers may be the two big houses on the hill in Islamabad. But the country may be the biggest loser if all the players do not realise their grave responsibilities and act sensibly, and now

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Americans see a change in the air in Pakistan**

Thursday, September 24, 2009

Dr Shahid Masood

WASHINGTON: Americans see a change fast, but smoothly, coming in Pakistan in the wake of loss of credibility of the man at the helm, following some domestic legal developments.

After meeting top political and defence decision-makers here in the US capital, where I was invited by the National Defence University (NDU) for a two-day seminar on the anniversary of 9/11, I was told in unambiguous terms that a change in Pakistan was inevitable for US policy interests, although Washington does not intend to disrupt the system.

Several important Pakistani political players have also been conveyed the same message by the US political and defence establishment, including the MQM and recently the ANP, whose chief is travelling with President Asif Zardari in New York.

The main problem being faced by the US administration, which it may never admit publicly, is that the present set-up with Asif Ali Zardari as the de facto ruler, has no credibility at home and no ability to deliver on the promises he makes, either on the military side or on the war on terror or on governance issues.

“Zardari has also abandoned the idea of political consensus which he had started to follow in the early days after the February elections,” one official said on background. “He appears to be non-serious in government and lives in perpetual fear and insecurity, preferring to stay out of the country.”

The US side thinks that they had made a sensible move by pushing an alliance between late Benazir Bhutto and General Pervez Musharraf as this team would have provided all the ingredients of a stable and cooperative Pakistan to Washington. She would have provided the political support while Musharraf would have used his military muscle against the terrorists and extremists in a stable environment.

They say Zardari has failed to provide that environment, rather he has involved himself in day-to-day business and administrative matters while his political coalition and parliament have been left looking like dumb and dummies.

Many officials say Zardari has been asking the US administration to bail him out on too many issues and too many occasions. He has sought the US help to tame the Army, keep his alliance partners, especially the opposition of Nawaz Sharif’s PML-N in check, directly or through the Saudis on sensitive issues like Musharraf’s or cutting his own constitutional powers.

All these demands are way beyond the capacity of any US administration to deliver while Zardari has almost left everything to us to handle, an agitated official said. “If we have to handle everything, his own credibility within the country will sink and has sunk to the lowest low.”

Other officials I met were even blunter. They say the US abhors corruption, kickbacks and commissions anywhere in the world as a matter of policy.

Another official said the US would keep track of the parties or persons involved and money transaction in the Pakistan’s rental power venture. There are still no roadmaps or any modality work sheets in Washington on how a change in Pakistan would occur, but the US capital is keeping its fingers crossed as to what comes out of the NRO case pending with the Supreme Court.

The impression gathered from the words of these top Americans is that the US would not intervene if the apex court starts hearing the case. The view is that if the NRO was discussed and details of who benefited, who made what deals and how serious crimes were committed and then whitewashed, start to be revealed in the SC, the moral authority of the NRO beneficiaries would erode fatally. In this scenario, the NRO beneficiaries may themselves throw in the towel seeking a safe exit.

In several informed US and Pakistani circles I moved in for several days in Washington, the same scenario was repeated, often exactly in the same tone and sequence.

A Pakistani, who knows a lot about developments in Pakistan and the US scene, said that apart from this purely legal and domestic scene, there were four possible ways through which Zardari could exit. These ways were repeated by others who had nothing to do at all with the previous source. They are: one, impeachment; two, voluntary resignation in the wake loss of credibility; three, ‘natural’ or man-made elimination of the president, and, four, an Army coup. The impeachment and coup scenarios are considered non-starter and impossibility.

US and some Pakistani circles said that a resignation after enough dirt is thrown in the public domain when the NRO case details begin to unfold is a favourite way out, as it would not, being an outcome of the legal process, disrupt the system.

I was asked many times whether a coup is a possibility in the current situation and I always said no, but the question kept surfacing again and again.

This is probably because there was some loose talk of a shuffle in the military hierarchy by President Zardari in which Army chief General Kayani was to be replaced by some other pliant general who could ensure continuity and stability for the Zardari regime.

This scenario was shot down in Washington instantly as an impossibility, since it had information that the Pakistan Army considered a coup or intervention as a total no-go area and could have brought back another October 12, 1999 type of situation. It is so also because of the fact that Gen Kayani has established, through words and deeds, that he is all for democracy.

With all these scenarios being discussed, the growing feeling is that not much time is left for the current status quo and it will lead to a period of political turmoil in Pakistan if President Zardari continues with his ways any longer.

The sudden emergence of a top MQM delegation in Washington for talks with the policy makers, officials and think tanks of Washington has also raised many questions as the official Pakistani diplomatic channels were totally cut off and I gather that this was done at the insistence of the US side more than the MQM leadership.

Not even a courtesy meeting between Governor Ishratul Ebad and Ambassador Husain Haqqani was held until four days after the arrival of the MQM delegation and meetings with top strategists, including Bruce Riedel, John Negroponte, Richard Boucher, and current State Department officials, including Richard Holbrooke.

A similar exercise has now been planned with the ANP chief while he will be here in the presidential entourage.

What happened in these meetings is known only to the MQM leaders and the US side but the tone and tenor of MQM in the coming weeks and days will give the first hints of whether the course of the PPP-MQM alliance is changing in stormy waters in the middle of the sea. How the ANP reacts is also to be seen but already Asfandyar Wali is said to be very happy with the praise for his party’s governance in the NWFP by US officials as well as the promises to give them direct financial aid. With the MQM and the ANP almost on board, I will be eagerly waiting for the first signs of the new US strategy unfolding in the days and weeks to come.

http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=199813

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FoDP dumps expected billions into WB basket

Saturday, September 26, 2009

By Shaheen Sehbai

WASHINGTON: The Friends of Democratic Pakistan, a forum which was created by President Asif Ali Zardari to raise billions of dollars for ‘his’ Pakistan, on Thursday quietly dumped the issue back into the lap of the World Bank, something which Mr Zardari had specifically warned against when he launched it a year ago.

And in another subtle move the FoDP turned itself into a political debating club for expressing support, minus of course the talk of the billions. Foreign Minister Qureshi had to explain to the media that the FoDP meeting was not about “pledges”, although Mr Zardari had nothing else in mind except getting pledges of billions.

This subtle change of its purpose and definition contrastssharply with the original idea of President Zardari who launched it almost exactly one year ago at the same time and place, with the urgent appeal to collect $100 billion dollars as grants, from what he considered to be friends ready to trust him after the tragic death of Benazir Bhutto and his dramatic rise to power.

On Oct 4, 2008, shortly after the FoDP was launched with much fanfare, Mr Zardari had gone on record asking for the $100 billion dollars and warning against involving the World Bank. After interviewing him, the Wall Street Journal reported: “On Mr Zardari’s request for $100 billion in grant he has a simple and powerful argument to make that the world cannot allow his government to fail…In asking the international community for infusion of $100 billion into Pakistan’s economy, Zardari was keen to insist that it not be described as aid. Aid is proven through the researches of the World Bank . . . (to be) bad for a country. I’m looking for temporary relief for my budgetary support and cash for my treasury which does not need to be spent by me. It is not something I want to spend. But (it) will stop the (outflow) of my capital every time there is a bomb (blast). In this situation, how do I create capital confidence, how do I create businessmen’s confidence?”

But when on Thursday in New York, the high profile summit of FODP ended with a political statement of good wishes and “we all love you” but go to the World Bank Trust for money, the only saving grace for the Pakistani managers of the FODP moot was the Senate passage of a modified version of the Kerry Lugar Bill. This was the best news President Obama could give to the FODP leaders although it has to pass through several stages before any dollars reach Pakistan.

Just one day before the FODP meeting Zardari had urged the US to reimburse $1.6 billion dollars and had called for an early realisation of about $6 billion pledged to Pakistan at a Tokyo donors conference early this year.

A top diplomatic source in New York said Pakistan had just received less than 15 per cent of this pledged amount so far and the creation of a Word Bank trust means the whole issue has been thrown into the mill of the financial institutions where Pakistan is already grappling with conditions and repayment schedules. What Mr Zardari wanted was aid or grants not loans. That has not yet come.

Even the prolific support of Richard Holbrooke for Mr Zardari was not enough to get more than statements stuffed with hot air. His own remarks after the FODP meeting reflected this helplessness or inaction. This is what he said: “… we wanted to show clearly that we were - that the United States and Pakistan’s other friends are all working together for Pakistan. It’s a long way from this meeting to realities on the ground, but this is the first summit meeting of the Friends of Democratic Pakistan, and we’re very proud that it was co-hosted by our President on American soil.” In essense, a long way to go but we are proud to host it now.

The way the FODP initiative was mixed up and merged with the Kerry Lugar bill was a master stroke of the PPP strategists who wanted to cover up the lack of progress in New York with the work in progress on Capitol Hill.

The British envoy for Pakistan and Afghanistan, Sir Cooper, called the adoption of the Kerry-Lugar bill the best “Eid gift” to the people of Pakistan. Where is that gift was left open for the people to look for but he reaffirmed British support for the country.

This support for the “people of Pakistan” was a repeated mantra because the US and other world leaders did not want to fall into the trap of equating the support for Pakistan to support for Mr Zardari. President Obama mentioned this in his opening remarks at the FODP by congratulating President Zardari but reaffirming deep commitment to the people.

Diplomatic insiders in New York say one of the reason behind President Zardari’s “absence” from all the speeches of President Obama in New York, three at least, was this hesitation in US circles to express direct and unequivocal personal support for the Pakistani president. It was hilarious to note that Mr Zardari missed Obama’s speech because he had to go for a medical check up but his personal physician, who is accompanying the president and should have been with him in the hospital, was left behind to hear Mr Obama’s address, one diplomat revealed.

The hoopla about the passage of the Kerry Lugar bill may have partly made up for the lack of substance at the FODP meeting but a close reading of the Kerry Lugar text reveals that the conditions and clauses included have almost made the US the big brother with a big stick watching almost every economic, political, military and social activity in Pakistan. No wonder the US needs a lot of houses and residences in Islamabad.

The list of conditions and monitoring subjects (pl refer to the text of the bill) makes stunning reading but the key para which is likely to create a lot of trouble, although it is desperately needed in Pakistan’s context, is about keeping the armed forces under control of the civilians.

This para is about US monitoring and every six months Secretary of State has to give the Congress “an assessment of the extent to which the Government of Pakistan exercises effective civilian control of the military, including a description of the extent to which civilian executive leaders and parliament exercise oversight and approval of military budgets, the chain of command, the process of promotion for senior military leaders, civilian involvement in strategic guidance and planning, and military involvement in civil administration.”

The Indian factor has been added in these conditions under the following clause: “It is the sense of Congress that the achievement of United States national security goals to eliminate terrorist threats and close safe havens in Pakistan requires the development of a comprehensive plan that utilizes all elements of national power, including in coordination and cooperation with other concerned governments, and that it is critical to Pakistan’s long-term prosperity and security to strengthen regional relationships among India, Pakistan, and Afghanistan.”

There are several roadblocks, checkpoints and mechanisms to monitor where the aid given to Pakistan will flow because of the widespread fears of corruption and pilferage of the aid dollars.

Pakistan’s foreign minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi addressed that question in a diplomatic way but Richard Holbrooke said it bluntly. In response to a question on possibilities of corruption, the foreign minister assured the journalists that a mechanism has been devised in consultation with the Friends of Pakistan to make the whole process transparent. He said that the donor countries were satisfied with this arrangement.

Answering the same question, Holbrooke said that the US government has assigned Ambassador Robin Raphel, who under the instructions of the Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, will coordinate with the relevant government ministries as the aid process moves forward. What he meant was that she will be the “monitor in chief” to catch any thief, big or small.

Whether Kerry Lugar washes away the impact of the missing dollars at the FODP meeting, a senior ex-diplomat in New York put the whole circus into a comical perspective. He said: FODP or FODP was a stock character in English literature and especially comic drama, as well as satirical prints. He is a “man of fashion” who overdresses, aspires to wit, and generally puts on airs. FODP was widely used as a derogatory epithet for a broad range of people by the early years of the 18th century; many of these might not have been considered showy lightweights at the time, and it is possible that its meaning had been blunted by this time.

http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=24703

Once again are you paid for cut and post news which favors NS or SS and the news which oppose PPP and its leader AAZ? Don't you think involvement of Americans to that extent to a country in which democracy has recently been restored, is too much? What if same attitude you will get from Americans when NS forms the government? Will you like it then? You post this news as Americans have nothing else do and indulge in the sh!ty situation they have created themselves for decades in Pakistan. Please leave Pakistan alone. Let the democracy work. And keep it in your khoprhi that it should be people of Pakistan who should replace the government after completing its tenure. Not by the adventurer military dictator. Shame on you posting this nonsense.

And yes keep on cut and post news for SS managing mohalla committees, hospitals and thaanay. Stick to your job.

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niden pai , are you jocking or serious :confused:

Benazir meeting Musharraf on orders of Blair and his foreign minister , Condy , Chenney , Boucher in Feb 2007 and then increased ‘rates’ after Musharraf became weak after CJ issue and met him again on orders of US and UK in July 2007 in UAE , secrets deals , corruption charges and then NRO came in. BB + Musharraf + ANP + MQM + PML-Q was game plan for elections 2008 on orders of US UK Emirate stake holders.

Now , which US involvement you are talking about :confused:

And NS backed out after giving 48 hours of notice when SA clearly told him to backoff. Uncle Sam to door ki baat rahi, NS, SA king ki ek hi warning par us ki hawa nikal gaai. Imagine what could have happened if NS directly warned by Uncle Sam on Mush's issue. Perhpas he would have peed in this paints.

Remember Kargil debacle. How NS alone went to darbar of Uncle Sam and lying to him he was not aware of kargil adventure. He $h!t in his paints while shifting the responsibility to Mush:)

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The same Uncle Sam who telephoned 5 times in 1998 for nuke tests :confused:

BTW , Saudia give billions of Rs. free oil so we have to listen to them.And Musharraf himself went to Prime Minister asking US to have a ‘honurable’ exit for adventure of Musharraf and that ‘adventure’ which even Air Chief , Naval Chief and other Corp Commanders and GCOs were told about it. Only 10 Corp Rawalpindi and 12 Corp Murree Lt.Generals were on board.2700+ soldiers died in this mis-adventure and what we gained by this foolish attempt.NS atlast saved the ass of Establishment otherwise whole world was ready to declare PK having rogue army and economic sanctions and political isolation in whole world .

Being a PM he never knew the misadventure, how stupid can he be one can imagine. Uncle Sam line haazir him and asked him to call back the troops from kargil. Army had suffered many casualities by retreat. NS had to pay heavy price on his stupidity. Accept the fact. The founder of Nuclear device was Bhutto. All creadit is due to him. He was hanged by a dictator, who created NS from nothing.

lol. What happened to the complaints of “foreign interference”? Pakistan is on the verge of being a failed state. It is staying afloat only with foreign aid. So I guess Pakistan “has” to listen to some others too?

Saudi Arabia also has given Pakistan thousands of “free” jihadists via its “educational” system that exports the Saudi ideology abroad.

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The US created a nearly failed state? If the US had such a nefarious influence why didn’t Pakistan simply turn to the USSR and expel the US? No one forced Pakistan to join the US camp. Besides, the US was involved in dozens of countries. How many of them are in as bad shape as Pakistan is today? The Marshall Plan heavily involved the US in Western Europe, the US occupied Japan for years and rebuilt it and wrote its constitution, the US played a similar role in South Korea, and the US has given aid to a host of other countries (such as Israel and Taiwan, nations which were created at the same time as Pakistan yet are light years ahead of Pakistan today). How many of them are at the risk of disintegration? Pakistani’s and Muslims in general need to do what the rest of the world has done: take responsibility for their actions. When other countries make mistakes they correct them; when Pakistan or any other Muslim majority country does it blames the US. If nothing is your fault then there is nothing you have to correct and this thinking stifles reform in Pakistan and over 50 other Muslim countries ( :rotfl:@ Malaysians blaming their problems on Israel). One big problem Pakistan, and several other Muslim and some African countries, have is an exploding population that the economy cannot accommodate. Is the US forcing average Pakistani’s to have 50 kids and increase their population from 40 million in 1950 to around 140 million in 2000 to 344 million in 2050? The irony is there is a big emphasis on sex-related issues in Muslim culture (via the obsession with gender apartheid in some places) yet apparently having too much of it is a top reason for the further decline of such nations (the more sex-obsessed, i.e. Saudi Arabia, the higher the birth rate generally is).

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I have just copied thesec omments from a site but it looks my own voice on this topic.
بھائی جی یہ کشکول ٹوٹے گا تو ہم آزاد قوم کہلوائیں گے ورنہ تو پتہ نہیں ہمیں کون کون سے مطالبے ماننے پڑیں گے. قوم پیٹ پر پتھر باندھنے کو تیار ھے لیکن یہ ایلیٹ کلاس اپنی عیاشیاں ترک نہیں کرنا چاہتی. بھٹو نے کہا تھا کہ گھاس کھا لیں گے لیکن ایٹمی طاقت ضرور بنیں گے. قوم نے اسکی آواز پر لبیک کہا اور آج ہم الله تعالیٰ کے فضل و کرم سے پوری دنیا کی مخالفت کے باوجود ایٹمی طاقت ہیں. نواز شریف نے قرض اتارو ملک سنوارو کا نعرہ بلند کیا قوم نے دل کھول کر عطیات دیے یہ الگ بات کہ اس رقم کا پتہ ہی نہیں چلا کہ کہاں گئی؟ اس قوم نے کب قربانی نہیں دی؟ حالیہ زلزلے کی مثال آپکے سامنے ھے. یہ قوم زندہ قوم ھے لیکن افسوس کہ اس قوم کو قائد اعظم رحمت الله علیہ کے بعد کوئی لیڈ کرنے والا ملا ہی نہیں.
جو بھی آیا جولیان پھولوں کی بھر کر لے گیا —- اور کوئی بلبلوں کے پر کتر کر لے گیا
آج کے پروگرام میں ڈاکٹر صاحب نے روٹین سے ذرا ھٹ کر اپوزیشن خصوصا نواز شریف کو تھوڑا مخاطب ضرور کیا ھے لیکن فرینڈلی اپوزیشن کو نواز شریف کا بھولا پن کہا ھے. حضور یہ نواز شریف کا بھولا پن نہیں ھے یہ اسکی مجرمانہ غفلت بلکہ دانستہ غفلت ھے اور اس غفلت کا خمیازہ نواز شریف نے نہیں پاکستانی قوم نے بھگتنا ھے.

Are you living in the Planet Mars? Your above comments indicate though you don't know any thing about the past history of Pakistan. Americans give aid to dictators for military build up. They never give economic aid and supported democracy in the past. 2/3rd of the time military has ruled the country through guns and many times they have captured their own land kicking elected PMs? What in the hell are you talking about? $Billions pumped in Afghan war, we are now victim of jehadis bombing. The countries you are talking about, Uncle Sam, in addition to huge supply of arms and ammunitions (except Japan), gave huge amount of aid to improve economy and democracy in those countries. Now tell me which other countries you have mentioned had/has dictatorship? Uncle Sam nurtured dictatorship in Pakistan.

As regard jumping to USSR (it is now Russia only), you tell me how in the hell Russia provide $billions of dollars, drones, F-16 etc, and salaries to the army? Are you crazy?

Gee, the US gave primarily military aid. What difference does it make to Washington if its money goes to economic or military aid? Much of the aid package is what is requested by the receiving government. Pakistan needed that aid to keep even in the ballpark with India militarily.

I was talking about during the Cold War. From 1947-1989 Pakistan could have ejected the US (like Egypt expelled the USSR, for instance, and turned to the USA) and turned to the USSR.

Regarding the Afghan war, the Saudis played a more important role than the US. Pakistan itself was screaming for foreign intervention in Afghanistan. There were not a series of suicide bombings in Afghanistan, was there? Was it the US who told imams to preach that you get a one way ticket to heaven and 72 virgin sex slaves if you blow people up? No, that was Saudi Arabia and Zia's baby. Islam has existed for 1,400 years. Why do you think suicide attacks have become common only in the past 25, and in the case of Sunnis even less than that?

If you were talking about Afghan War II see above. Who created the Taliban? Were they not "educated" in Pakistani schools created and funded by Saudi Arabia? Was Lal Masjid because of the NATO presence in Afghanistan? Was Swat because of the US? If Pakistan/Saudi Arabia did not create the Taliban there would not have been a 9/11 and the US would have 0 role in Afghanistan today.

We have people doing the same for Zardari too, how come you arent complaining about them my friend? When I last pointed out the same thing as you did for that paid supporter of the PPP, you said he was nice and I should just let him be?

2 points.

  1. Shaheen Sehbai is among the some of the most dimwit columnists.

Funny that many media guys in Pakistan now are much more "pro-Pak" and show much more "character" than some of these Paks who are settled in their comfy apartments in the West.

USA is no God. They will work with anyone who can work on the principle of "you scratch my back ........". There is no red or green or yellow light in Islamabad except from us the Pakistanis.

We decide the fate of our leaders by either supporting them or rejecting them. Outsiders can only come in when they see that a given leader has lost the support of Pakistani masses.

It is about time we quit this vicious game of maliciously spreading the news of "Washington's air".

  1. US aid / Friends of Pak

US aid/loan/cr@p whatever it is, is not FREE. They need Pakistan's services and Pakistan provides them at the "market rate". This is no different than what China provides as industrial services, or India provides as techie services.

In fact Pakistan should work with the US to remove the use of the term "aid". And start calling it what it really is "Payment for a contract".

There is no country in the world except the $trillion spenders like US, Germany, Japan, France, UK, and Italy who can given out money in the tune of $billions.

The rest of the countries like China or Saudi are small players and we should not given them a value that is more than their real worth.

Therefore if Pak needs money, it has to "work for" $trillion spenders, just like other 3rd worlder developing economies such as: Indians, Chinese, S.Koreans etc.

Remember this! there is no shame in work. Any work, even shoveling $hite (unless you are a believer of caste system).

Whom are you refering to? I don't see any one writing in favor of Zardari. Yes opposite is true. The hate Zardari Mafia is in full action using all sorts of dirty language, curses, and wishing him to be dead like BB.

Come on yar, lets not be so naive, both you and I know who desert bird's counterpart is :)

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Yes opposite is true. The hate Zardari Mafia is in full action using all sorts of dirty language, curses, and wishing him to be dead like BB.
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Well, its no surprise everyone hates him, and wishes the worst for him. I do agree he gets based a little more than he deserves, but its no secret the majority hates him, and thats reflective here too.

That is quite disturbing. Why people hate him? I think he has done nothing wrong or even met personally to any one of them, I mean hate Zardari Mafia. If he is hated due to corruption, then name a leader whether politician or dictator who is not corrupt? Atleast he has gone to jail for nine years and none of the case was proved in Pakistani courts. Other haramzaaday, haramkhor aaisay aazadi se phir rahay hain jaisay unjesa imandar koi nahin, kha ke saalay dakar bhi nahin martay.:)

I don't think that hate mafia is refelective of all Pakistanis. Had he been so hated, assemblies would have not chosen him to be president of Pakistan.

Again my question is why he has been singled out? Is that because he is Sindhi?

:smack:

No because honest Sindhi leaders, including the late ex-PM Junejo were well liked and respected. Zardari has alot to accomplish before he gets such an endorsement, lets hope he can deliver.

p.s. that sms/email threats rahman malik is issuing for punishing those that ridiculing him isnt helping either…