Comeon Brother,there is only one arguement that is coming out from your side,that is people voted under `compulsion' and you were not readying to buy what the Indian media has said.Now I have given you what a Pak daily has mentioned.
This is an out and out lie. Med has not said people voted under compulsion. He has REPEATEDLY stated the following -
1).They voted so they can also get benefits of participating in an election. Since that is the only choice presented to them
2) the fact that they voted does not mean they don't want a plebiscite.
What part of this don't you get? Why do you and your ilk insist on lying?
The problem is quite sad. On the Pakistan side decades of malcontent in political, military and religious leadership has ensured idiotic notions of history and geography.
On the Indian side you find a coterie of people self-appointing themselves as voice of the conscience - deluding themselves about ‘reaching out’ and ‘being nice’. Reaching out and being nice is great if the other side shows remorse for their past deeds but not appropriate in Pakistan’s context at all, where even the government institutions do not think terrorism and using religion to mislead people is wrong. Unfortunately this is not understood by this self-appointed group. Add to that crackpots and loners who want to play popular kids through conformity …
It is amazing courage though that people in Kashmir would risk their lives and limbs and come and vote in spite of the separatists threats and cross border terrorists. they have effectively shown these lunatics where they stand.
Conformity is when one thinks ones country can do no wrong. And all the fault is on the other side. Such conformity is rooted in dishonesty and lack of objectivity.
The problem is quite sad. On the Pakistan side decades of malcontent in political, military and religious leadership has ensured idiotic notions of history and geography.
On the Indian side you find a coterie of people self-appointing themselves as voice of the conscience - deluding themselves about 'reaching out' and 'being nice'. Reaching out and being nice is great if the other side shows remorse for their past deeds but not appropriate in Pakistan's context at all, where even the government institutions do not think terrorism and using religion to mislead people is wrong. Unfortunately this is not understood by this self-appointed group. Add to that crackpots and loners who want to play popular kids through conformity ....
It is amazing courage though that people in Kashmir would risk their lives and limbs and come and vote in spite of the separatists threats and cross border terrorists. they have effectively shown these lunatics where they stand.
We need not blame Pakistanis for their opinions towards this issue since that has been their government's political stand ever since the commencement of hostilities between the two nations,in this subject.Indeed,we must respect their sentiments.
But the most appalling thing to see is that there are some Indian members on this forum who,in an attempt to get praises from Pakistanis,express pro secessionist views!!!It is very evident that they are trying hard to cast themselves as neutral but they do not understand the fact that even Pakistanis know their fragile attempts.
Thats the spirit of India and belief in democracy. All praises to the to brave kashmiris who came out to vote despite the ban calls and threat of violence.
Hope this time they will have a better govt which can take care of their issues unlike the past govts who were there only to loot.
From Kashmiri Muslim's perspective, self-governance is second best option after Azadi.
From other religious group's perspective, " their perspective doesn't matter :D"
We need not blame Pakistanis for their opinions towards this issue since that has been their government's political stand ever since the commencement of hostilities between the two nations,in this subject.Indeed,we must respect their sentiments.
But the most appalling thing to see is that there are some Indian members on this forum who,in an attempt to get praises from Pakistanis,express pro secessionist views!!!It is very evident that they are trying hard to cast themselves as neutral but they do not understand the fact that even Pakistanis know their fragile attempts.
Those characters will be around in any group - those are the ones I call the self-loathing loaners seeking fraternity through undue-self-deprecation or ill-informed sense of fairplay. But as they grow they do learn and come out of that. Don't worry about those, just enjoy their show.
From Kashmiri Muslim's perspective, self-governance is second best option after Azadi.
From other religious group's perspective, " their perspective doesn't matter :D"
So what's the issue? they already have the azadi.
But why does the perspective of Kashmiri Hindus not matter?
Conformity is when one thinks ones country can do no wrong. And all the fault is on the other side. Such conformity is rooted in dishonesty and lack of objectivity.
in your case the conformity I am accusing you of is that you seem to want to conform to the predominant majority of this website when they are clearly wrong.
yeh masla na kabhii solve huaa hai aur na hii kabhii solve hogaa...kuchh logoN ne isko 'zindagii aur maut' kaa issue banaa liyaa hai...aise nahiiN hotaa dunyaa meN kahiiN...autonomy is Kashmiris best option. as i said before they can be almost free except India having control over defense, Security and Foreign Affairs along with currency and passport. everything else is free for them to have it. that's i think the bottom line of Indian government ever since independence.
Clinging on to this dream of "azaadi" has ensured the J&K is one of the least developed states in India. Its time for the separatists to wake up & smell the coffee - there is no chance of any "azaadi" especially with the current government at the center. Its way better for Kashmiris to be a part of the Indian democratic system and partake in the economic development that the rest of India is working towards.
in your case the conformity I am accusing you of is that you seem to want to conform to the predominant majority of this website when they are clearly wrong.
Of course, if your comprehension skills were not so poor, you would have noted that the one doing the accusing wasn't me. But when did you ever let facts get in the way?
Those characters will be around in any group - those are the ones I call the self-loathing loaners seeking fraternity through undue-self-deprecation or ill-informed sense of fairplay. But as they grow they do learn and come out of that. Don't worry about those, just enjoy their show.
The confusing part is that some do not come out of it as they grow.
Anyway, let's hope the Modi government lives upto its promises of all around positive change including fully normalizing Kashmir by getting rid of the separatist nonsense and pretecting the people from anymore cross border terrorism. The people there have spoken by rejecting the boycott calls of the separatist thugs, by turning out and voting in large numbers. Regardless of which party is elected there, this message of the people has sledge hammered those Pakistanis who covet Kashmir - it is my fond hope that Pakistan also gets the message and focus on giving up terrorism and instead work towards development.
Anyway, let's hope the Modi government lives upto its promises of all around positive change including fully normalizing Kashmir by getting rid of the separatist nonsense and pretecting the people from anymore cross border terrorism. The people there have spoken by rejecting the boycott calls of the separatist thugs, by turning out and voting in large numbers. Regardless of which party is elected there, this message of the people has sledge hammered those Pakistanis who covet Kashmir - it is my fond hope that Pakistan also gets the message and focus on giving up terrorism and instead work towards development.
Atleast he visited the state every month since he assumed office,something that is unprecedented for an Indian Prime Minister.