I supported lawyers protesting sacking of CJ. That was really nice.
But now it is getting apparent that many of these lawyers are protesting only because of their political agenda. Otherwise, CJ is back in his office. It is him to decide what Musharraf can do or not. So why are they protesting?
Hundreds of Pakistani lawyers boycotted courts and rallied in several major cities Thursday, demanding that President Pervez Musharraf step down.
Wearing black arm bands, they marched in the capital Islamabad, Lahore, Quetta, and Peshawar and called for an end to military rule.
Also Thursday, President Musharraf’s lawyers told the Supreme Court that his term in office expires on November 15. Chief Justice Iftikhar Mohammed Chaudhry on Wednesday ordered the government to specify when the president’s term ends.
Aab election kee kiya zaroorat hay? When government needs to get changed, lawyers would demand and that would happen. I think Mittal (Indian steel tycoon) should make his bid to become prime minister of Pakistan. He pays Rs 10000, a chicken and a goat to each lawyer and few thousand would start boycott demanding Mittal to become Prime minister of Pakistan else they would not work; hence Mittal would be made Prime Minister.
Who knows, tomorrow Chaudhari Iftikhar would give a ruling that BB is his wife and she should become Prime Minister of Pakistan, and than lawyers would boycott and would come out in support of Chaudhari Iftikhar ruling, then there would be no alternative for the country other than that BB become legal wife of Chudhari Iftikhar and also Prime minister of Pakistan.
Well, if I was Musharraf, I would send a platoon of commandos to arrest these black coat duffers and their white wig leaders; line them in straight line, and give them what they deserve, martyrdom.
Lawyers are now getting used to the mob mentality, they are beginning to think too highly of themselves. They must be sued, or dogs must be 'chhoo'ed at them.
err as long as they r not breaking any laws, I dont see whats wrong with protesting against the ruler? They r only exercising their constitutional right.
^ They are exercising their right, no doubt, I am not too sure if they protested against such rule 2 years ago, 4 years ago, 5 years ....... do you know?
^ They are exercising their right, no doubt, I am not too sure if they protested against such rule 2 years ago, 4 years ago, 5 years ....... do you know?
Yes they did. Remember the Pakistan Lawyer's forum petition? It's another matter those protests didnt get much air time. Now it's a different story.
Do u see me equating the wrongs of IG Sindh with what the SP/SSP of Islamabad did to CJP?
hey if the constitution can be amended to pardon one man of high treason, with death penalty, sure we can forgive a bunch of emotional youngy lawyers for throwing hot channa’s on some moron’s face. No? Come now, have a heart.
Do in rome as romans do
waesay I haven’t changed my mind on the whole Naeem Bukhari episode. Go boomeranging-in the behind- natural justice :biggthumb
The prominent lawyer/tv judge Khwaja naveed (of khwaja naveed ki adalat) was attacked by anti-Musharraf lawyers yesterday. It is time that the CJ took notice of these people who seem to be carrying out these CRIMINAL attacks in his name.
come on man, when the lawyer mobs broke the law you still were giving them a free pass. actually if I recall correctly you were jumping up and down with jow at them breaking the law.
err as long as they r not breaking any laws, I dont see whats wrong with protesting against the ruler? They r only exercising their constitutional right.
Their protest through out the CJ case was depriving normal public to the justice system as these idiots were out on the street, shouting and burning effigies, while people were sitting in empty court houses, waiting for the lawyers to show up so they get help in the resolution of their legal cases.
And come to think of it, why the heck are these lawyers are taking credit of the Independece of Judiciary and what not.
SC verdict on CJ case had nothing to do with lawyers protest. It was an independent decision as it shoould be. Courts do not and should not pass verdict based on public pressure.
Their protest through out the CJ case was depriving normal public to the justice system as these idiots were out on the street, shouting and burning effigies, while people were sitting in empty court houses, waiting for the lawyers to show up so they get help in the resolution of their legal cases.
and that is precisely why ordinary people were turning up in numbers to welcome CJ from Abbottabad to Lahore to Faisalabad? Don't think so.
And come to think of it, why the heck are these lawyers are taking credit of the Independece of Judiciary and what not.
because had it not been for these lawyers and the CJ's own stubborness in the face of military might, some judges would've declared him guilty as charged within a week. That was the plan. oh why do we have such short memory. Don't u remember the indecent haste in calling the first SJC meeting? Have some badaams.
SC verdict on CJ case had nothing to do with lawyers protest. It was an independent decision as it shoould be. Courts do not and should not pass verdict based on public pressure.
Yes. they should not pass verdicts under pressure from the public OR THE MILITARY. The only thing lawyers' movement did was to neuterlise the establishment's pressure allowing the court to reach a fair verdict.
and that is precisely why ordinary people were turning up in numbers to welcome CJ from Abbottabad to Lahore to Faisalabad? Don't think so.
because had it not been for these lawyers and the CJ's own stubborness in the face of military might, some judges would've declared him guilty as charged within a week. That was the plan. oh why do we have such short memory. Don't u remember the indecent haste in calling the first SJC meeting? Have some badaams.
Yes. they should not pass verdicts under pressure from the public OR THE MILITARY. The only thing lawyers' movement did was to neuterlise the establishment's pressure allowing the court to reach a fair verdict.
a pressure on judges to Neutralise the military pressure, is still a pressure
Our argument concluded in one way or the other
Either that whole protest was a bogus display which wasted thousands and thousands rupees of tax payers money
or our courts are not independent and still get pressurized, if not by military, then by lawyers
ANd your comment regarding ordinary people turning up in numbers, you decide to slaughter a camel on the street on Eid day and thousand people show up to see the "tamasha". That does not prove anything. This is entertainment of our people, not the support
Either that whole protest was a bogus display which wasted thousands and thousands rupees of tax payers money
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or **our courts are not independent **and still get pressurized, if not by military, then by lawyers
stating the obvious but our judiciary has been pressurized by several governments in the past. Lawyers movement made sure this time the same pressure did not result in a flawed judgment. The difference between lawyers' movement and the govt. pressure is that if the govt. had succeeded, it would've pretty much screwed the judiciary for a long time to come, allowing it to come back again and again getting decisions of its liking. Lawyers' movement on the other hand is pretty much over. Plus, a strong bar is pre-requisite to safe guard the independence of the bench. U know the wheels of the same chariot saying.
ANd your comment regarding ordinary people turning up in numbers, you decide to slaughter a camel on the street on Eid day and thousand people show up to see the "tamasha". That does not prove anything. This is entertainment of our people, not the support
Easy for u to disregard people's outpouring of support but sadly what happened was anything but tamasha. I know because I was part of some of these tamasha's. And I would advice u to read some papers from the tamasha days. You'll find several references to ordinary folks who stood up for hours, with their children, in scorching heat just to watch this tamasha go past. Food for thought:
Why could the govt. not manage such a tamasha on may 12th in Islamabad, when it had actually paid people to show up? Hint: Maybe the people were glued to the screen watching the slaughter in Karachi!
*]Why could the political parties not manage such tamasha's before 9 march?
So please, the whole tamasha tamasha does not wash with me.
Easy for u to disregard people's outpouring of support but sadly what happened was anything but tamasha. .
OK, I am soory. I did not mean to insult you personaly. Yes there were people like you who were real supporters but there were Tamaashaa'ees, also
And let me ask you this. How could you or any other protestor decide that CJ was innocent when the case was going on. What is that you were supporting? There was a case going on in Court.
In whole civilized world, people protest after verdicts and what not, not during the case hearings. What is that you guys wanted to prove. What if the court ruled out that the reference was right. Would you still be insisting upon Independence of judiciary. I think not
for all the protestotrs and lwayers, its independence cause the verdict came in their favor. Otherwise Bar council president was threatning to put the court house on fire
It is always "changa hoya" for fanatical CJ supporters, but then again they are becoming a dwindling band of people anyway. As predicted the restoration of the CJ (graciously accepted by the President) has taken the wind out of the anti-govt lawyers,campaign and that is why they are resorting to criminal thuggery and violence. Notice how these people can now no longer pull a crowd of a few hundred people in their support, mainly because the general public are realising that lawyers are becoming just as bad as disgraced politicians.
And let me ask you this. How could you or any other protestor decide that CJ was innocent when the case was going on. What is that you were supporting? There was a case going on in Court.
No one was protesting CJ's innocence or guilt. What instigated the lawyer community was the ham fisted manner in which the reference was filed, preceded by an open letter, and followed by house arrest, roughing up and the totally illegal and as proven later, unconstitutional "forced leave" of the CJ. The lawyers' community was also protesting against the denial of an open hearing to the CJ in SJC, when he himself had asked for it. There r several international conventions that supported CJ's stance on this. The govt. consistently challenged that. The lawyers' were also protesting against the sudden manner in which the executive decided that the reference be heard. There were obvious mala fide's in the whole case, as proven later.
You'll appreciate that the protests outside SC building stopped once the case was taken up by the 13 member bench.
After that the CJ only traveled to different bar associations to attend functions to which he had been invited. Which is completely normal and several retired CJP's have said the same on TV. That people came out to show support was not at CJ's behest. They just came. Like myself and several of my friends.
In whole civilized world, people protest after verdicts and what not, not during the case hearings. What is that you guys wanted to prove. What if the court ruled out that the reference was right. Would you still be insisting upon Independence of judiciary. I think not
it's a crude argument but if u want to equate us with the civilized world, then please explain the uniformed president? There r some images that change history. The CJ sitting in front of Mush in unifrom will go down in our history as one such image. Mush himself agrees it was a blunder. Watch his interview with Talat Hussain.
for all the protestotrs and lwayers, its independence cause the verdict came in their favor. Otherwise Bar council president was threatning to put the court house on fire
and now the federal minister is questioning the integrity of the judges who gave the verdict about Nawaz Shareef. Whats worse, he refuses to apologize. Muneer was an ass to say what he said but he sure as heck did not represent the people's sentiment when he said that because the whole movement revolved around the slogan of supremacy of constitution and equal application of law. Obviously it was a stupid statement. Still he tendered unconditional apology to the court and was let go.
It is always "changa hoya" for fanatical CJ supporters, but then again they are becoming a dwindling band of people anyway. As predicted the restoration of the CJ (graciously accepted by the President) has taken the wind out of the anti-govt lawyers,campaign and that is why they are resorting to criminal thuggery and violence. Notice how these people can now no longer pull a crowd of a few hundred people in their support, mainly because the general public are realising that lawyers are becoming just as bad as disgraced politicians.
That should mean 20 more years for the emperor in uniform. Lets place some bets. :biggthumb
