I have already been very clear.
You don't appear to be reading.
Jeeeeeeeez Muzna, u r hard headed, cant just accept a simple truth. It is one factor for rape and u cant change it. Simple as that.
If u could prove ur point, as not being a factor at all than ur saying men dont have any sex drive or dont get aroused at all.
What a pathetic argument u have, just because there are other reasons this cant be a reason. Its like saying good smelling food soesnt trigger an apetite in someone only hunger does. Or maybe u dont agree with this one as well.
Its our Wits that make us MEN .... 'Braveheart'
Why do men rape? There are a number of factors.....its not about sex, its about power and control.
These factors include:
*A desire for power and control over a non consenting victim
*The acting out of hostility, aggression, and anger
*A sense of dominance and self-validation through the humiliation and degradation of another
Rape is primarily a violent, hostile act carried out by sexual means, ** not a sexual act that becomes violent ** . You have it backwards. The clothing a woman chooses to wear has nothing to do with her being raped, any woman can be a victim of this form of violence - its not a sexual attraction that overcome the rapist, its the urge to act out his hostility and anger by overpowering a non-consenting victim.
Achtung
Okay....I'll agree with you on the hard-headed part. But it's not because I am refusing to accept what you call "a simple truth". It's because I refuse to allow blame to land where it does not belong.
I don't agree with you. Why is that a crime?
And you're starting to change your colours LCK. A while ago you were adamant that attire is a "vital factor" in rape cases....now you're saying that it is merely "a factor". In a couple more days you will be saying that it is a minor factor and then, once you've given it enough thought you'll be standing next to me saying it's an "insignificant factor". See you then.
And for the record....good smelling food may make me hungry but it doesn't mean that I break the laws and steal it....or defy rules or manners to obtain it.
Achtung, thanks for all the information that you have been providing.
I wish you could share your qualifications in this arena....perhaps some participants would be more inclined to take your posts seriously.
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In the west you dont need to rape a girl unless u have some vendetta or psychological problem, cause 85% of the females here are already sluts.
I dont say that men are innocent either but it takes some input to pervert a guy, someone with family problems wont start go raping women, even psycho's who rape have had some sexual disorientation in their past. And their rape is not with intention of having sex but rather torturing their victim.
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Actually it isn't just psycho's who rape, its your average guy. Profiles of rapists show that most lead fairly normal lives, many have wives, girlfriends, kids even. And you should stop blaming the victim . Women are raped regardless of how they dress, regardless of their religious beliefs. And men rape regardless of if they watch porn or if they don't.
Hypothetically, if you were a woman standing naked in front of a group of men - it wouldn't be an invitation for them to rape you, or even touch you.
Achtung
I dont understand who are you quoting when you say 85 % of women here are Sl*ut???
May be in some culture they be considered so but it is there culture now to have pre marital sex,if that you mean by sl*ut .Mind you rape is NOT consensual sex which is a big difference betqween there choice of life style willfully & force sex for people who who justify there own desire to satisfy there hunger forcefull.The women of this country are NOT responsible for your hunger (your own society is )& NEITHER are they "easy, loose, lost virginity"obliged to your demands.If you do ,you will be charged for criminal Rape conviction.
There are multiple factors & cultures(standards) view on this matter.
Woh afsaana jise anjaam tak, laana na ho mumkin
Use ek KHoobsoorat moR dekar, chhoRna achha
[This message has been edited by FYI (edited June 23, 2001).]
Asalamoelekum all
Muzna, i feel you are taking away all responsibility from a female code of dressing in relation to menz attitutes towards them. Men love watching women which leads to sin. thus Men are asked to lower their gaze. this is supplemented by asking women to dress and act modestly.
Now this does not mean that a veiled woman is not vulnerable to a sexual advance, neither does it imply that loose woman is totally vulnerable. It is the combination of the two good acts that decreases the possiblity of a wrong, and in the same vein, the opposite, is an invitation towards sin.
it is thus my humble opinion that rape, like all other sexual sins, is as much a result of the dress code of a woman as it is of the negative approach of a man
May we all be forgiven for our sins, intentional or otherwise. Ameen
Thanks to you all for providing such stimulating discussion. And thanks to Achtung for showing his face here and giving us some valuable input.
I was thinking of the importance of our expectations, religiously or culturally.
No religion teaches us that if a woman is "asking for it" by her manner, or by her dress, or by her known past, that the right thing for any man to do is to rape her. No religion provides ANY justification whatsoever.
But somehow, despite the fact that the man does it, he usually gets away scot free!!! Even if the woman is covered from head to toe.
It is our society that puts the blame on the weaker partner, in this as in many other spheres. When women are stronger - physically and emotionally, this happens less. I don't know if there is really any connection to pornography. It is just a power thing.
Sex is as "instictive" as just about any other biological function that living creatures have. We learn to control them all and direct them in a way that is socially acceptable: sleeping, eating, defecation, aggression, so why is sex being treated as an exception? Even animals have courship rituals, and don't tell me that's because they are covered!!!
Once more it is hard to take things out of the context of the society in which they were born. Perhaps islamic rules about directing one's gaze, mens and womens clothing and mixing can only hold good where men and women are married very young and the concepts regarding the relationship between men and women (including treatment of women) follows certain definite rules???